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Originally Posted by mcwillis
My post may be incorrect but, after looking at every one of the indirect techniques it says, immediately after waking from sleep, do not move, do not open your eyes, etc. That basically is a DEILD.
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Originally Posted by mcwillis
My post may be incorrect but, after looking at every one of the indirect techniques it says, immediately after waking from sleep, do not move, do not open your eyes, etc. That basically is a DEILD.
Ok so firstly we are going to have to mull over the semantics of a DEILD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rynkrt3
Quoting the Dream Guide Team of this forum on their description of DEILD's:
"However, if you are at the end of a REM phase you won't be able to DEILD."
Where in the book does it say you must practice as soon as you awaken from a dream? Mr. Raduga is referring to when you awaken at the end of a REM phase.
Quoting the Dream Guide Team of this forum on their description of DEILD's:
"In order to DEILD you have to have good dream recall. Not only so you won't forget your DEILD adventures, but also because you need to be aware enough of your dreams that you know when one has just ended. It is suggested that you have your dream recall at 10 or more dreams remembered per week before you attempt to DEILD."
Where does Mr. Raduga mention in the book that one must cultivate dream recall for Indirect Techniques to be successful? He doesn't because he is referring to when you awaken at the end of a REM cycle. 50% of students have a lucid dream or an obe over the course of a three day seminar like in the photo above. Do you think they all have great dream recall? The forum member moongrass nearly succeeded today on his first attempt because he has read the book and put it into practice. I like discussion but your arguement is without foundation because your folly was to initially pass judgement on a book you hadn't read.
I have read about half of the book now. I do see now that all of my post were based on assumption's and false knowledge. Sorry for that mcwillis.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
You have no need to apologise to me my friend. I have in the past made the same mistake that you have. Peace :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rynkrt3
One quick question. If I wake up in the middle of the night and move a little, like open my eyes for just a second or maybe roll over, will the indirect techniques not work?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcwillis
-Thanks :)
Mr. Raduga says if you roll over you can still seize the opportunity of using the "Forced Falling Asleep" Indirect Technique to start off a cycle of Indirect Techniques. This can produce a result. I find this one hard as I usually fall back to sleep. I too am practicing :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by rynkrt3
Great post Mcwillis, I just downloaded the book. Here is a website for anyone wanting to download it from:
School of Out-of-Body Travel - 1. A Practical Guidebook
Just scroll down and you should see the "Download Ebook" button.
Thank you for your kind words elucid. The above link isn't to Mr. Raduga's website. The link to his website where you can get the open source textbook and workbook is below. And in case anyone has a problem with me putting this link here please look at the second post on this thread by an administrator of this forum board which says, "You must contact the administrators and get permission before you attempt to post solicitations or advertising. Anything that appears to be advertising or solicitation will be removed immediately. This does not apply to LEGITIMATE news, user guides, or free lucid dreaming resources."Quote:
Originally Posted by elucid
WEBSITE LINK
Last night was 2nd time trying to use this method, I payed attention to sound than sights and all the sudden I saw a door. I focused on it and details slowly increased, I than tried to get closer to it and moved IRL. I think I forgot I was almost in a dream and thought I was having a LD about what was happening. IDK, I think I just need to remind myself what I'm doing and focus more. Still awesome for a method that is completely new to me and on the second night.
Awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by moongrass
I think I can get WILDs pretty quickly, although not that quickly. I will check out the book as soon as I can. ;)
Oh, I hate those. You have to move with your mind, which is really weird, especially if you don't see anything. Just wait for the dream to come in a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by moongrass
yup, thanks. I'm gonna try again tonight.
Reading this right now; will definitely post with opinions/experiences in time. Thanks mcwillis!
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Hopefully this will help me achieve my first lucid dream.
i just read on a non lucid dream forum and a guy said that he had heard weird sounds, zzz and mm sounds right BEFORE he fall sleep and continued to listen to the sounds, but they got to loud and he wanted to get up but he could not move a muscle and he asked what had happend to him. He did listening in to sleep paralysis! :o
If this naturally happened before sleep at night rather than WBTB then he is fortunate as the vast majority of us can't attain sleep paralysis at night, only in the morning. Having said that Mr. Raduga has said that when one masters Indirect Techniaues one can then move onto the much harder practice of Direct Techniques which can be used before bed and WILD's at night can become possible but this can take time to achieve. Whereas practicing Indirect Techniques AFTER sleep brings results quickly and easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterMind
You are Welocme! If you follow the books instructions to the letter and not make the common mistakes most of us will at this method you should have experiences to report back with.Quote:
Originally Posted by 44CalibreSunlight
If you follow the books instructions then Mr. Raduga virtually guarantees you success!Quote:
Originally Posted by mrfries
Hi, :) I read this book yesterday and practiced it. However, I don't know how not to move as soon as I wake up. And do you need to practice indirect techniques independently before doing WILD? can you share a scheldule to practice them and may be some few tips to succeed with this method?
This may sound strange but I actually really like the fact that the E-book is free but the hard copies are "overpriced." That way, anyone who has the money and feels like they want to support this guy can buy the book down the road and add it to their collection. He most definitely deserves it, for offering all the words in his book free of charge.
I'm just DLed this and I'm going to begin reading it today. Much thanks for sharing this resource with us.
Quoting Mr. Raduga from the textbook:Quote:
Originally Posted by whitemagician91
"Alongside remembering the phase immediately upon waking, another important requirement is awakening without moving, which is difficult since many people wake up and move. Upon awakening, scratching, stretching, opening the eyes, and listening to real sounds should be avoided. Any real movement or perception will very quickly disintegrate the intermediate state and introduce reality, the activation of the mind and its connection to the sensory organs. At first, awakening without moving seems difficult or even impossible. However, it has been proven that this is remedied for through active attempts and the desire to achieve set goals. People often claim that they cannot awaken without moving, that it’s an impossible experience. However, after several attempts, it will happen, and it will occur more and more frequently with practice. Thus, if there is difficulty in awakening without movement, do not despair, just keep trying. Sooner or later, the body will yield to the practice, and everything will happen smoothly."
I found it works by saying before going to sleep that I will remain perfectly still when I wake up. As soon as you wake up and you haven't moved run through a cycle of 2-5 primary and secondary Indirect Techniques for 3-5 seconds each. If nothing occurs do another cycle. He suggests that if after four cycles you don't succeed to go back to sleep and try again later.
Yes it shows that Mr. Raduga is a good man by giving us free of charge the fruits of all of his hard work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ketsuyume
Read through the pertinent stuff, but didn't learn anything new. He's essentially teaching people DEILD while providing a general use WILD tool-kit most people have to develop on their own. Not a bad resource, but nothing particularly groundbreaking.
And before anyone argues the point that these aren't DEILDs: put plainly and simply, DEILDs are WILDs that one does immediately upon waking; where one is in any given cycle doesn't particularly matter.
When I first saw this I immediately thought it was scam, but then I read it because it was free and that could not hurt anyone. When I read it I thought it was just a DEILD and it is, but much better explained than anywhere else and with techniques and much more detail to each step of the first 10 seconds after awakening. I was really concerned of the conscious awakening part and thought it was impossible, but I succeded the FIRST night and when I woke up I heard some ringing in my ears and listened to that then outside noicies disturbed me so I went to unconscious sleep. But the NEXT night I did the same but without getting disturbed and I got a lucid dream! Sorry I doubted you mcwillis and thank you for informing me this book!
for the dudes who sorta don't know what he's talking about he's talking about like sorta twitching when ur going into WILD. so basically a FILD but renamed. am i not correct?