Thread: Help with WILD method

Do you go to bed at the usual time, or do you wake yourself up about six hours after you fell asleep?

Originally Posted by LostInLucidity

Hey guys! I need help on getting to the sleep paralysis stage. I lay down in bed, (either right when i wake up or whenever i feel like it) and stay still on my back and count my breaths, usually listening to Lucid Dream audio from i-doser. After about 15 min i feel all numb and heavy, like im falling asleep. this happens every time but i can never get to paralysis. i see the colors and stuff and feel numb but can still move. i wait 40 min every time and dont get paralysis! its a bit harder to move but i still can farely easy! please help and give me some tips!! i really wanna lucid dream.

I believe you shouldn't be expecting going into the Sleep paralysis stage. That causes you to keep conscious efforts to focus too much on your physical body. With WILDs, you don't necessarily have to experience SP to get into a lucid dream, it just makes it a little easier because usually, your mind is in the half awake/sleep mode, and your body being still is what shortens the time to go into the dream.

When you said you saw colors and all of that, just remain relax, and don't worry about how you're feeling numb, just use some type of medium like counting down from 99 or just counting from 1 - whatever amount that takes you to seeing yourself going into a dream.

Don't focus too much on the time either, that's another thing that keeps you thinking about waking life.

Also, when you said

whenever i feel like it

, you can do that, but just know that it will be slightly harder than normal to go into the dream phase because if you WILD during the day and rest, it will take a while for your body to stop making small movements (i.e, your eyes making micro-movements, etc.)

I used to believe I had to stay and wait to do a successful WILD, and to just expect something to happen, but that will not work out for you, you'll most likely just waste precious time of sleep.

Some tips you could do is use an anchor that shifts your mentality into thinking about the dreaming plane more than waking life.

Some examples (I'm gathering this from several guides I've read, so credit goes them):

1. Start counting from 1 in your mind and keep going up until you feel like you're going into the dream state, and when you start seeing more images, don't expect more of them, just be aware that they are there, and you can keep counting just enough until these images stopped. Sometimes, you might feel vibrations around your body, they might start out strong and first, and gradually fade away. (It varies from person to person on what they experience).

But usually, when those images and/or vibrations stop, you can do things like trying to roll over your body (but imagining your dream body rolling over).

2. This tip came from Puffin's DEILD guide, this is a useful RC (in my opinion). What you do is that if you feel that the images in your head and/or vibrations have stopped, make sure to keep your eyes closed, and try to roll them up (as if you're looking up). Usually, if you're in waking life, you will feel the sensation of trying to shift your eyes back into place, and you might experience a little strain.

However, in the dreaming world, you'll usually feel no sensation at all, which can be a useful RC to verify that you're dreaming.

3. Billybob mentioned about several anchors such as listening to a noise can be a white noise (ex: Fan spinning and you listening to it spin, but not paying too much attention to it, just as you drift off into the sleep, you'll have passive awarness of the sound. And when you don't hear the sound of the fan, you most likely have entered a dream).

(And sometimes, the sound might be slower and have slight echos to it, but that's what happens for me when I used my fan as an anchor in my early months of attempting lucid dreaming)

4. Another one in Billybob's guide that I've found is having something that can vibrate somewhere on your body (ankle/leg/thigh), something that you can keep track off passively. Don't focus too much on the sensation of the vibrations, and if it vibrates and makes a noise, you can use the noise as an anchor too to help you shift into the mentality of focusing on your dreams instead of you body.

The reason for the anchor is something you know you can rely on to keep you aware and slightly conscious, and to focus on dreaming instead of expectations of waking life.

5. You can add visualization. Try to think of something small like an apple for instance. What can you associate with that? A tree? Plant? Garden? You see what I mean? You start with something small, and then try to get more complex until you've created a dream environment. Again, this is useful in making sure you don't look forward to SP or hallucinations.

6. This other suggestion comes from one of Mzzkc's guides I believe. He usually thinks of something small, like a number, and add on to that with more numbers. This is kind of like visualization if you can imagine the numbers, but it's usually just a mental thing because you're having something to keep you aware passively. (It's like solving simple equations, and just getting a little more in-depth with them)


Hope this helps. Don't be afraid to ask more questions if some parts don't make sense

Also, just know that for WILDS, you can go into the dream state in NON-REM sleep, but they are usually shorter, and not worth the effort. They usually have a third person perspective, while if you manage to be conscious in REM sleep, they are usually first person perspective. ->>http://www.dreamviews.com/f33/rem-sleep-98625/

Some people are able to go into the dream state in NON-REM, some may only be able to go into the dream state in REM, it varies for each individual.

Usually, you'd want to get at least 4-6 hours of sleep (everyone is different, you might have to decrease a few minutes or add on some more to find the ideal point to where you know you can hit REM, or at least interrupt it).

But if you read the guide above on REM sleep, I believe it can be useful in understanding more on it, and how you can pull off a WILD easily with practice.

Thank you for all those tips! Ill try those later today! Another problem I have is when creating the dream world, like you said an apple or something, I'll think of it and create the image but can never stay on that one thought/image. It shoots to another one in a few seconds. Any tips? Thanks

Originally Posted by LostInLucidity

Thank you for all those tips! Ill try those later today! Another problem I have is when creating the dream world, like you said an apple or something, I'll think of it and create the image but can never stay on that one thought/image. It shoots to another one in a few seconds. Any tips? Thanks

Hmm. Well if you find yourself seeing one image come up after another, that's a good thing! You don't have to focus only on the apple, that's what the visualization of a dream scene should do for you. It's creating another image, and "shooting" to another one, and you just watch your mind go through this process, think of it was watching a show, because at this point (in my opinion), you're already in the dream state, and you're just creating an environment to go into.

It's like being in limbo or just a void state, and seeing your mind create these images gradually.

You don't have to always think of the one thought/image, just as long as you see your mind working in creating more and more images, and with enough practice in sustaining certain images, you'll get better.

EDIT:

Try this link for practice:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/induci...art-2-a-29491/

It may be a little long, but if you just read through it, and try to practice parts of it if you can find the time to do so.

I'll for sure look into that, im just about to take a nap and ill try those tips. Now, would you reccomend listening to anything while doing this? like a lucid dream audio kind of thing? thanks again for the help

You could try using audio as an anchor, but I generally stay away from that because it usually doesn't work for me (I just woke up from a nap to try and WILD lol).

But it may work for you! It just depends, it's up to you to experiment

Don't be afraid to try it out though. You'll realize that when you read more and more guides, they will become supplements towards your goal in mastering lucidity, and you'll find that you are actually creating your own unique way(s) of getting lucid. You'll find that it's YOU that is making it possible, and the techniques and tips you've read and practiced are just a stepping stone for you to gain the ability to LD with ease.

Never be afraid to try new techniques out, but don't try overload yourself with trying too many methods at once. It can put too much stress for you and your mind, you can always work with a few at a time.

For instance, if you wanted to try out MILD technique (Mantra/Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dreaming- which is basically you repeating a mantra or saying with intent an purpose for you to become lucid in a dream), you could try that technique alone (or along with a WBTB- Wake back to Bed; basically, you wake up after a few hours of sleep (4-6 hours, depends), which can make the MILD more effective as you repeat the saying/mantra until you're confident that the intent within the words will be the last thing in you mind.

To see some results, I recommend devoting a few weeks or more on it because once you find that you can get the intent into your mind and you become aware that you're dreaming, WBTB+ MILDing can be one of your ways you know you can become lucid regularly.

But if you don't want to spend too long on one technique, that's perfectly fine, you could always try it out at least for a week or two to see something, and you don't have to try MILD out first if you want to.

Or you could try DEILD out for your first time, it's basically a shortened version of WILD because it's generally easier to go into a dream state when you master being able to wake up (but still keep your body still and your eyes closed).

Compared to MILD, I would highly recommend you try that instead if you really like to do an abbreviated version of a WILD

Here are some guides (Don't just stick to one guide and assume it to be true, read from several people, but also, make sure you're careful at the information you're taking in as you read it, you wouldn't want to read the wrong processes in becoming lucid). Here are some reliable sources, and these are just my opinion on what you can start from.


(Useful DEILD guides)
1. http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/puffin...utorial-96980/

2. http://www.dreamviews.com/f49/yuppie...3/#post1799585

But if you want to try something like a lucid audio to help with lucidity, don't be afraid to experiment, that's the beauty of lucid dreaming, it's involves mind, body, and spirit in order to become successful in it. All the guides here that you may read in the future, just know that they are a stepping stone in helping you find your own unique way of LDing. And remember, sometimes some techniques may not work out as well as you thought it would do, but never be discouraged.

Everyone is different, but once you find the ideal point, you WILL master LDing.


And sometimes, people like to have someone explaining the techniques in another form.

You can go here : http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/slash1...orials-105098/

Slash112 is one of the the admins of this site, so if you're really serious about reliability, check on his video tutorials. He gives you what you need to know on the popular and main methods of attempting lucid dreaming.

So if you like seeing videos explaining the techniques, you can listen to them if you want.

It's a lot of stuff to take in and understand, but if you just learn things gradually, you will gain more knowledge about the techniques and the mentality to become lucid.

Another quick question. If you are to try the WILD method with a nap, would you try before you take the nap while your sleepy, or right when you wake up? Thanks.

You could try it before you take a nap, but might be harder.

When you take a nap, usually you feel tired throughout the day (if you know the right point to nap), so REM might come faster, but it just depends from person to person. I try to nap in order to WILD sometimes, but I don't really pull it off well. I just rely on WBTB at night to try and WILD.

These links here might help, but they just show that it varies for each individual, and you're usually tired when you want to take a nap.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f11/rem-af...n-cycle-83788/

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/afternoon-wilding-110016/

Hope this helps, (and don't necro post those links, just showing references)