Months of failure

[benzilla04]

Hey guys, here's another thread of me venting because I can't WILD I go to bed at around 1am, i try it around 6 (if i can wake up) or 7-8, if i dont wake up i try it around 10am when I normally wake up. I lay there still, i focus on the back of my eyelids and count down from 100 I either get bored and give up, have an overwhelming urge to give up. All I need to do is.. need help so can fight these urges to move because I know a roll-over signal is what's stopping me. So stop rolling, and stop getting bored Anyone got any tips so i can stop this?

[cmind]

You've had months of failure because you've read some really bad WILD guides. FFS

[benzilla04]

yeah :/

[xpin2winx]

ive been failing for a week straight and it really messed up my sleep schedule . Closest i got to sleep paralysis was a DEILD, all of a sudden i heard a loud wind rushing noise like the noise you hear when you open one window in your car while your going fast and it felt like i was in some heavy duty turbulence traveling real fast. It was quite the experience but was too startled to do anything. Im still confused on how exactly you enter sleep paralysis. Alot of people say just go to sleep and keep slight awareness. But ive also talked to people who say they just lay still and it happens. and for the people who take 30 minutes to do it. I mean if youre supposed to be falling alseep then why does it take 30 minutes. I mean usually i can get knocked out within 5 minutes.

[dutchraptor]

Look up jeff777's guide on how to induce SP . Basically just wbtb, lie down without moving at all (even your eyes) and let memories just play out. Once you get an extreme urge to move, DON'T. after seconds you will feel a wave take over your body, from there you can transition.

[xpin2winx]

Look up jeff777's guide on how to induce SP . Basically just wbtb, lie down without moving at all (even your eyes) and let memories just play out. Once you get an extreme urge to move, DON'T. after seconds you will feel a wave take over your body, from there you can transition. yea but its hard to clearly get what hes saying. He says that he attempts WILDs on his back because he cant sleep on his back. Then he goes on saying you should be trying to fall asleep.

[dutchraptor]

yea but its hard to clearly get what hes saying. He says that he attempts WILDs on his back because he cant sleep on his back. Then he goes on saying you should be trying to fall asleep. Well you should never take that kind of advice for granted because everyone is different. The point I was trying to make is that your body falls asleep naturaly if you resist the checks your brain sends out, wether you should be sleepy, lying on your back or visualizing is different from person to person and the best to do is just try it yourself. I don't even know what it is like to hear noises during a wild attempt because I've never heard them.

[xpin2winx]

Well you should never take that kind of advice for granted because everyone is different. The point I was trying to make is that your body falls asleep naturaly if you resist the checks your brain sends out, wether you should be sleepy, lying on your back or visualizing is different from person to person and the best to do is just try it yourself. I don't even know what it is like to hear noises during a wild attempt because I've never heard them. jeffs guides seem to have the most success out of any other guides on here. But still its not clear to me when others say the complete opposite like this http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/why-you-fail-wilds-96892/

[cmind]

Look up jeff777's guide on how to induce SP . Basically just wbtb, lie down without moving at all (even your eyes) and let memories just play out. Once you get an extreme urge to move, DON'T. after seconds you will feel a wave take over your body, from there you can transition. NO. NO NO NO NO. Jeff777's guide is SHIT, stop recommending it. Mzzkc's guides, BillyBob's guide, these are the guides to use. ive been failing for a week straight and it really messed up my sleep schedule . Closest i got to sleep paralysis was a DEILD, all of a sudden i heard a loud wind rushing noise like the noise you hear when you open one window in your car while your going fast and it felt like i was in some heavy duty turbulence traveling real fast. It was quite the experience but was too startled to do anything. Im still confused on how exactly you enter sleep paralysis. It's actually NREM, not SP that you're going for. Another lie of bad WILD guides... Anyway, you were there. If you can hear the whooshing noises you're already past the threshold.

[xpin2winx]

NO. NO NO NO NO. Jeff777's guide is SHIT, stop recommending it. Mzzkc's guides, BillyBob's guide, these are the guides to use. It's actually NREM, not SP that you're going for. Another lie of bad WILD guides... Anyway, you were there. If you can hear the whooshing noises you're already past the threshold. yea but this is what im talking about. We got half of the people on here saying lay still dont move and the other half saying it dont matter just fall asleep. What the hellllllll

[cmind]

yea but this is what im talking about. We got half of the people on here saying lay still dont move and the other half saying it dont matter just fall asleep. What the hellllllll Unfortunately most newbies have no critical thinking skills so when someone tells them something absolutely ridiculous like "you have to lie still", they don't even question it.

[benzilla04]

Jeff777's guide is SHIT, stop recommending it. Mzzkc's guides, BillyBob's guide, these are the guides to use. Could you get me the urls?

[xpin2winx]

Could you get me the urls? basically they just say fall asleep but keep just enough awareness on an anchor so youre mind stays awake while your body falls asleep

[benzilla04]

when i was playing around with my technique, i kinda.. went out of it.. lost awareness but i was still awake and then id suddenly gain awareness and feel my body start changing or something idk it was weird. Guess that was NREM, started breathing loads which stopped it though. Forgot what I done now though. Guess its just trial and error

[realdealmagic]

You should drop by the Dream Views Academy. You might find some stuff that interests you: WILD (Sageous)

[cmind]

Could you get me the urls? Well here's one of them: http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mzzkcs...-guide-105484/

[dutchraptor]

Look I don't really know which guide is the best cause I barely practise Wild (I'm into Deild). Like I said earlier try out all the guides. cmind, you say jeffs guide is shit then why does it have such a high succes rate?? Wether it works or not is a personal thing.

[cmind]

cmind, you say jeffs guide is shit then why does it have such a high succes rate?? Wether it works or not is a personal thing. It doesn't have a high success rate. Why do you think there's so many people making threads in the WILD forum with the exact same issues: not being able to stay still, not being able to sleep on their back, whatever other shit jeff says to do. It absolutely does NOT have a high success rate. On the other hand, you almost never hear of anyone having problems trying it Mzzkc's way. Use your brain dude.

[xpin2winx]

It doesn't have a high success rate. Why do you think there's so many people making threads in the WILD forum with the exact same issues: not being able to stay still, not being able to sleep on their back, whatever other shit jeff says to do. It absolutely does NOT have a high success rate. On the other hand, you almost never hear of anyone having problems trying it Mzzkc's way. Use your brain dude. I can't stay awake trying Mzzkc's way.

[dutchraptor]

Use your brain dude. I don't know why it seems like you have such a hard time comprehendng what I'm saying. In general results for all the guides are around 50/50 including mzzkc's and jeff's the reason is because either people are physically unable to adhere to the steps or they are follwing them wrong. I only linked jeff's guide because it's similar to what I do, it works for me, it works for like 30 other people. Obviously it's up to the user to decide which works better. Now I know mzzkc is a smart guy and understands alot about sleep and nrem but what he proposes to do is still based on his findings and opinion...the same as jeff's guide.

[CJC]

cmind, ive seen people try to argue with dutchraptor before. He never loses. (No offense to dutchraptor but i agree with cmind)

[dutchraptor]

cmind, ive seen people try to argue with dutchraptor before. He never loses. (No offense to dutchraptor but i agree with cmind) No offense taken . This is funny XD

[benzilla04]

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mzzkcs...-guide-105484/ I've just read through this, i think this will work best for me. I've done it a couple of times where I just give up and try to sleep then i kinda switch back on at the last minute as im hitting SP but freaking out stops it, so thanks for the link

[Mindraker]

Wow, I'm amazed for all of these people who are supposed to be in touch with Karma, etc., we sure know how to fight on our forums. /rolls up sleeves and digs in.

[cmind]

I can't stay awake trying Mzzkc's way. You're not supposed to stay awake! That's what jeff777 and his ilk get wrong, they make it seem like you can magically get into a lucid dream without actually falling asleep... Wow, I'm amazed for all of these people who are supposed to be in touch with Karma, etc., we sure know how to fight on our forums. /rolls up sleeves and digs in. Isn't it also bad karma to not stand up and tell someone when they're wrong?