Where am I? Wild advice

[ezzolucid]

Hello, i have attempted WILD a few time with some success but latley I have found myself in a state of sleep or awareness that I just dont understand. This is what happens. I attempted a WILD during an afternoon nap. After about 30 mins I realized that i was deeply relaxed and that my mouth was wide open (I sleep with my mouth closed at first but during the night it opens automatically due to snoring) I dont remember opening my mouth but i was observing this fact from a strange trance like state. My hands were numb and felt in a different position from where they should be and there was other mild sensations such as tingling etc. I was very much aware that i was lying down in my bed but felt slightly 'removed' from myself as i observed this weird state. There was no lucid dream going on, no visualization, no HI and so I dont know where i was in terms of my state of mind etc. 1) Was i asleep? If so then why wasnt i lucid dreaming? :-( 2) Also, If there is no REM available for a while when wilding then what exactly happens when the body goes asleep, what do we experience whilst waiting for rem to kick in? This bugs me because when i went for a nap, i knew rem was close but i still dont understand what happens in the minutes before we go into rem. If the body is asleep but the mind awake without rem then how does that generally feel and could this have been what i was experiencing. Would i have entered a lucid dream if i had of held on? Please help, thank you

[Ksero]

The hard thing about WILD is that the transition from waking to dreaming is pretty unique person to person, when I go through it's literally like there is a rocket being launched inside my head, the vibrations were so intense one time i literally fell out of my bed. As I see it, one of 2 things has happened. You may have missed your rem cycle, and your body fell asleep before your mind as you thought. Or you were having a false awakening, laying in your bed waiting for the dream to start, when in actuality the dream had already begun. The hard thing about WILD is that the transition from waking to dreaming is pretty unique person to person, when I go through it's literally like there is a rocket being launched inside my head, the vibrations are so intense sometimes it feels like I'm being electrocuted. Luckily it sounds like you had somewhat of a smoother ride. Either way, you seem to right on the cusp of completing your first successful WILD, keep trying and you will figure it out. One thing that helped me break through into my first lucid dream was trying to levitate my body above the bed once I got to the transition stage that you were in. Obviously, if you are awake nothing will happen, but if you are lucid the results might surprise you. Good Luck!

[espsika]

My last week's experience; I laid down to sleep without the intention to WILD because i was tired and i needed to rest. but i began to notice my consciousness leaving my body. this is not the first time its happening so i wasnt scared i was almost getting used to it or i would say that i am used to this wired feeling (consciousness in motion/vibration). As this was happening i was calmly calling the name of Yawehesua (Jesus) and the feeling keeps intensifying to the extent that i began to notice fear cripping in. This led me to a false awakening and back to HI where i saw a holographic image of cat and the face of lucifa (satan), the face in Melgipson's Passion of Christ. And this is the first time i am seeing this...

[ezzolucid]

Hi, i tried again today after a wbtb and got into the same trance like state. I could even hear / observe myself nearly snoring at one point. As i lay there i was aware of where i was (in my bed) and so i started visualizing a dream scene and a scenario to go with it. What happened is that my subconscious would then engage with my dream scene and start to take the story in a new direction ... but i was still aware that i wasnt asleep or fully dreaming. I feel so close but i just seem to lie there in this state for a long time and then either fall into a regular dream or wake up What i dont understand yet which i really need help with is this ... Lets say for arguments sake that we know for sure that my REM is due to begin at 5am. I wake up at 4am and return to bed at 4.15am to wild. By 4.30am my body is asleep but i still have awareness of this. I would still be 30 mins away from the REM kicking in so what happens during this next 30 mins? Do i just lay there in a trance waiting for 5am for my REM. Could this be the state im in as described above? Is this stage 2/3 sleep? I feel that once i can pinpoint where im at in terms of sleep as my original posting then i can eventually manipulate that phrase to succesfully transition in the future. I do appreciate that wild is different for everyone but i know what lucid dreaming is like, i know what being awake is like and i have experienced those intense head busting vibrations before that led to a false awakening (this was from slightly waking from a regular dream) I know that if i can identify the stage of sleep / awareness or whatever it is that i get to when wilding then i will learn to go one step furthur and lucid dream. Maybe as you said, i missed my REM cycle but if i was asleep then how come i was so aware of myself and my body? I just lay there, my limbs are numb (but not paralysed) i feel slight vibrations sometimes and my visualizations sometimes turn to short dream snippets - but no lucid dream. Please please please help my identify this stage and then i can become a regular lucid dreamer. Thanks everyone, this is the only LD forum that gives regular replys and is noe my daily go-to website :-)

[espsika]

Hello Ezzolucid; i would not say i have arrived in lucid dreaming, i am still a beginner even though i had my first lucid dream since 2010 if i can remember. but i have learnt so much from LD articles (Wiki) and personal experience. for instance i noticed that whenever i am tired my brain tend to move directly into REM. my last week's experience is a typical example. after being busy through out the day, and on lying down to sleep the wired sensation of REM moved in. this has happened not once not twice but severally. i also noticed that 0ur INTENTION influences REM. lying down with the intention to LD on most cases leads to DILD and a failed WILD also leads to DILD my advice to you is try to forget your body. try to forget the idea that your body is lying down. and focuse on your dream goal. i have my own challanges which is being consistent and being fearless while transitioning etc. Good Luck with your LD espsika

[Ksero]

Hi, i tried again today after a wbtb and got into the same trance like state. I could even hear / observe myself nearly snoring at one point. As i lay there i was aware of where i was (in my bed) and so i started visualizing a dream scene and a scenario to go with it. What happened is that my subconscious would then engage with my dream scene and start to take the story in a new direction ... but i was still aware that i wasnt asleep or fully dreaming. I feel so close but i just seem to lie there in this state for a long time and then either fall into a regular dream or wake up What i dont understand yet which i really need help with is this ... Lets say for arguments sake that we know for sure that my REM is due to begin at 5am. I wake up at 4am and return to bed at 4.15am to wild. By 4.30am my body is asleep but i still have awareness of this. I would still be 30 mins away from the REM kicking in so what happens during this next 30 mins? Do i just lay there in a trance waiting for 5am for my REM. Could this be the state im in as described above? Is this stage 2/3 sleep? I feel that once i can pinpoint where im at in terms of sleep as my original posting then i can eventually manipulate that phrase to succesfully transition in the future. I do appreciate that wild is different for everyone but i know what lucid dreaming is like, i know what being awake is like and i have experienced those intense head busting vibrations before that led to a false awakening (this was from slightly waking from a regular dream) I know that if i can identify the stage of sleep / awareness or whatever it is that i get to when wilding then i will learn to go one step furthur and lucid dream. Maybe as you said, i missed my REM cycle but if i was asleep then how come i was so aware of myself and my body? I just lay there, my limbs are numb (but not paralysed) i feel slight vibrations sometimes and my visualizations sometimes turn to short dream snippets - but no lucid dream. Please please please help my identify this stage and then i can become a regular lucid dreamer. Thanks everyone, this is the only LD forum that gives regular replys and is noe my daily go-to website :-) IF your REM cycle was at 5 AM, i would wake up at 4:30 and return to bed around 4:45 Am, if you feel like you can transition in 15 minutes. I wouldn't try to hold the transition phase for half an hour, as you are likely to fall asleep during that wait, hope that helps. Also, I found King Yoshi's WILD guide had a lot of helpful tips/tricks in the comments after the initial post, it's worth a read. Good luck

[ezzolucid]

Hi Ksero, I was trying to find out what actually would happen in the above scenario when someone is wilding before their rem period. What happens when their body falls asleep but the mind is aware but there is no rem? What does this feel like? Ive not founf the answer to this anywhere else even though i have searched. Most guides say to wait until the rem kicks in but what does it feel like in the period of body falling asleep and the rem kicking in? thanks

[Ksero]

I'm not the most experienced person here at WILD, it's probably a good idea to send a PM to sivason (put a link to this thread and ask for assistance), as he seems to have it down to a science. Personally, I have trouble doing WILD if i don't get the timing right, but I would say the feeling of nREM sleep with your mind awake is like what you described in your first post, no HH, no vibrations, just a feeling of dissociation with your body, maybe some light tingling sensations (but as I said before, these sensations are fairly unique person to person, so my experience may not be what you feel at all). Hope this helps.