In need of advice waking Up too Awake (WBTB)

[Dfid]

So I have this problem where when I wake up after 4-5 hours. I wake up to awake from my alarm. A bit of background information: I use my phone for the alarm and the alarm turns off automatically after 1000 Seconds and gives me a notification if it does. It can only be turnt off with either, turning my phone around or shaking it lighlty. But somehow right now there are just 2 Scenarios that keep on happening to me. 1. I wake up to awake altough my Alarm isn't too loud too startle me and I have to completely throw away my WILD / FILD attempt since I'm still not good enough to do these while being so awake. So I just fall back asleep normally. & 2. If I don't put my alarm atleast 1 meter / 3.2 Feet away from my bed. I somehow miraculously turn it off in my sleep. Yes I somehow turn around, slither to my phone and shake it lightly til it's off while unconcious / not aware. (And no I don't sleepwalk and I never have been). Since when my real alarm goes off, I always mistake it for my WBTB alarm but the song is different and my phone isn't showing me the automatic notification. Now my question is. Do I have to just time it better? (I've been trying this for alteast 6 Months now and I very rarely wake up groggy in WBTB, altough I wake up groggy on my normal alarms of course...) Do I just have to learn to FILD / WILD while being not sleepy? Schould I put up multiple alarms throughout the night in the hope of having atleast one groggy wake up? Or schould I try to WBTB without an alarm? (Which I will try now anyway, but other suggestions and advice to my problem are still very welcomed and needed.) Thanks for reading and potentially answering my question. I appreciate it deeply!

[zelcrow]

Hey Dfid, you mean a 10-second alarm, right? I don't know how much you've varied the time of when you set your alarm for WBTB, but maybe you could try so set it for outside of the 4-5 hour zone as you wrote above. It's not quite the same for everyone, but the most general advice is to set an alarm for either 4.5 hours or 6 hours of sleep to do WBTB. You can always shift it forward or backward by 15-20 minute increments to see if that wakes you at a time that will be more conducive to WILD and FILD. Sometimes I have that issue too where I set my alarm and turn it off and barely remember it an hour later. Sometimes I don't remember at all! Trying to develop a strong intention to do so the day and night before (like when you're on your way to sleep especially) might be of help to you. I seem to have to will myself to do this and make it important to do so in my mind. I hope that helps! Some other members might have some additional and better information to provide relevant to you.

[Dfid]

Thanks for the advice. I think I'll try to put up multiple Alarms first to see if theres even a time in which I can wake up groggy without 8 hours of sleep. Ill update if I find out anything new. Sorry if theres a misunderstanding about my alarm. It's really an alarm that goes on for 1000 seconds. Altough one can't really hear the first 120 seconds or so since the volume is increasing slowly but steadily. Also when the alarm reaches the 900 seconds mark it starts vibrate but I rarely get to hear that. And you're right, I have to work more with my intention. Because what also happens is when I rarely wake up groggy, I sometimes alsp just forget to do FILD or WILD haha.

[zelcrow]

I would recommend only keeping the alarm on until you get up to turn it off. Intention can help a lot. I still struggle with it sometimes, but if I work on it diligently the difference is stark. Yeah, post any updates. Good luck!