Are Dream Characters Universally Benevolent

[Leo Volont]

Are Dream Characters Universally Benevolent I observed in a recent posting that ‘I’ve never met a group of dream characters who could hold a significant grudge’. I’ve had more than a few dreams in which I was cast in the role of Knight and Peace Maker in which I had to battle or in some sense neutralize Enemies or Oppressors of some Society of Dream Characters, and in each case, when the hostilities were over, the Dream Characters were all surprisingly forgiving… even lightheartedly benevolent and most solicitous to impose their goodwill upon their former enemies, when only moments before they had cringed in terror. In one dream, an entire Kingdom of Dream Characters was being oppressed by a Race of White Giants. I was the answer to their prayers, apparently, but did not quite know beforehand what could give me an advantage over a complete Race of White Giants. It was one of only a few dreams in which I was genuinely afraid. Not of death, but of failure. Well, it seemed that raising my hand in peace was enough to destabilize these Giants – it would make them tremble and shake and fluctuate in size and shape. Then, to reach out and touch them would reduce them to a normal size. With the Race of White Giants suddenly reduced to normal scale, my first thought was that the people would now tear them apart in vengeance, and I must admit that I was not so very concerned for the former giant’s safety as I supposed they would largely get what they deserved. So I was quite surprised when I heard a cheer of goodwill go up behind me as the Society of Dream Character in this quaint and beautiful little Kingdom seemed willing to accept their former oppressors now as beloved equals and companions. But even in my utter amazement, I was ever ready with a word and so I spoke up and said, “Let’s all have a drink on it”, and another cheer went up in the crowd, echoed by the former white giants. Now, I pose the question… are these benevolent Dream Characters just in my dreams, indicating that I am dreaming at a relatively high Astral Plane, or are all of our Dream Characters guileless and free of grudges?

[irishcream]

hmm, this is an intersting topic...about dream charachters hold ing grudges. A girl continually appears in my dreams, and she never gives me advice, she usually picks some kind of verbal fight, or gives me dirty looks. So in this case, i'd say she bore some kind of grudge. Although in real life she thinks i'm a great person, and it's me that doesn't like her, and what she appears to stand for. That is, wasting her life.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by irishcream hmm, this is an intersting topic...about dream charachters hold ing grudges. A girl continually appears in my dreams, and she never gives me advice, she usually picks some kind of verbal fight, or gives me dirty looks. So in this case, i'd say she bore some kind of grudge. Although in real life she thinks i'm a great person, and it's me that doesn't like her, and what she appears to stand for. That is, wasting her life. Irish! You're home! Missed you Lassie. I was speaking of Dream Charasters as they exist in the multitude, the crowd, and not as individual Dream Characters who often are set up against us.

[nesgirl119]

Now, I pose the question… are these benevolent Dream Characters just in my dreams, indicating that I am dreaming at a relatively high Astral Plane, or are all of our Dream Characters guileless and free of grudges?[/b] The dream characters I think stand for what the world was like, & perhaps how gentle the persecuted races can be. You see, in the 1800s, we totally overruled the negroes, so we'd be the giants, & the so-called Dream Characters I think, were a race called African Americans, or Negroes. Once the Union won the Civil War, it is kind of like we shrunk to normal status too (power status)They were greatly maltreated, at least until the 1970s. Once it became illegal for us to persue them anymore, we just made friends w/them, but possibly expecting the negroes to get even w/us. In actuality, the negroes of today can actually be really kind, especially the ones in Crescent View, & they don't seem to bear any grudges at all! I think that your dream characters may be somewhat relating to what it was like about 2 centuries ago, & what it is like today! But what the heck do I know about interpretation?

[irishcream]

[quote] Irish! You're home! Missed you Lassie. sorry i haven't got back to you before now, i only got back last night, i've been desperately trying to catch up in here! Seems like most of the people i'm in close connection with here missed me... I'll send you a PM! I was speaking of Dream Charasters as they exist in the multitude, the crowd, and not as individual Dream Characters who often are set up against us. oh,oops, my mistake! Speaking of this dream character, i've just been out for a drink with her, she hasn't changed...

[Leo Volont]

Dear Irish, In my Dream, the one with the White Giants, the Little Kingdom was all quite European, with Chateaus and peaked roofs in the town, and vinyards and grain fields in the Country. The Multitude was quite caucasian and they weren't pickin' cotton. The White Giants were indeed very 'white'... until their transformation they were as though like Albinos. then there is the contrast of the Benevolence of the Multitude in my Dreams and the behavior of our actual waking Multitudes. The Africans have had a large share in the World's Civil Wars, Social Upheavels, Power Grabs and Coups, and almost gratuitious Looting and Rioting for anybody to mistake them for being inherently a gentle and benevolent people. It would be my guess that the most Peaceful and Benevolent People would be the longest Civilized People. The Persians would have had a good shot at such a title except that they had been largely slaughtered off and replaced by those of Invader-Barbarian Blood. Europe is awash in Barbarian Blood. Even the Chinese couldn't keep them out with that Great Wall. Central and South Africa has never had a Civilization, and Egypt has been a crossroads too long to have very much original Civilized Blood. Southern India may be our best Candidate for being the Most Civilized of Peoples, as they were able to fend off not only Islamic Barbarism, but also the more recent Mongol and Turkish Barbarisms, and were even able to stave off India's own Brahmin Aryan Barbarism until rather recently, and even then, with India's Institutionalized Racism -- where the Aryan Barbarians are forbidden to sexually mingle with the Population, the Population has been saved from their barbarian contamination. But I should look at the 'glass being half full and not half empty... in the Lands of Old Persia, Egypt, China and Latin Europe and especially in Southern India we have what may be traces and strains of Civilized Blood, that is, of peoples who are inherently predisposed to be gentle, cooperative and collectively oriented. But still because of all the others we must learn to sleep with one eye open so that they do not invade our homes and cut our throats while we sleep.... so they may rob us and enjoy their "freedom" with the money they steal. You know, "Freedom" is the battlecry of the Barbarian. The person that bitches about lack of Freedom is always only an inch away from the worst riot and mayhem. I'd rather have a well regulated Society based on a general Equality and where any honors or priveleges necessary would come from a fairly administered Meritocracy. But "Freedom" is the excuse Barbarians use to exert their free for all values of general rape and pillage. What Barbarian would not destroy an entire Civilization if he thought he could make off with a golden candlestick (or color TV set) that he did not have before?

[irishcream]

so basically that would make anyone who was just out for what they could get in the easiest and fastest way a barbarian, yes? Most of the time i like to take the long way round, uphill hard work and a sense of acheivement. But sometimes, if i see an opportunity that would comprise a short cut to getting what i want, does that make me a barbarian? I don't necessarily have to do someone harm, i just jump over a few heads!

[Howie]

That is a good question. I depends on what you believe. Personally I believe dream characters, for the most part are represaentations of some part of ourselves. We all have internal conflicts and personal issues wich can come out in our dream characters, as signs. I think our core self wants to be at peace with itself. So to befriend an adverdsary has always worked for me. However if you believe that a DC is truely a (whatever you believe one to be) that is there to hurt you, some people find that destroying them works. To me I can't seem to find any answers that way. I have on the other hand, by befriending them, I have been been shown insite to questions and perplexing questions that I have had.

[irishcream]

maybe i should try that the next time she pops up. Make friends with her in the dream, find out why she is the way she is, and then i might get on better in real life with her.

[dreamtamer007]

Originally posted by irishcream maybe i should try that the next time she pops up. Make friends with her in the dream, find out why she is the way she is, and then i might get on better in real life with her. A psychologist would tell you that it is a conflict within your self. I would say if the DC changes for the better when you respond with kindness or love then it’s probably a conflict within your self. I would imagine that a DC that was not you or your subconscious might act in very different way then to make piece with you. But that’s just a guess.

[irishcream]

hmmm...that's interesting...maybe the conflict i'm having is that i'm desperate not to end up like her...lonely and insecure, and afraid to admit it, solving it with casual sex! because that's what she does.

[Leo Volont]

Originally posted by irishcream so basically that would make anyone who was just out for what they could get in the easiest and fastest way a barbarian, yes? Most of the time i like to take the long way round, uphill hard work and a sense of acheivement. But sometimes, if i see an opportunity that would comprise a short cut to getting what i want, does that make me a barbarian? *I don't necessarily have to do someone harm, i just jump over a few heads! Barbarians are predators. Barbarians predate upon Civilization. Nowadays Barbarians are largely predating upon civilized people and institutions. Civilized People obey laws and live lives of peace and order. so Barbarians move in and implement predatory laws and exploitative business and labor practices, taking advantage of the Civilized People's reluctance to protest and rebel. There can be a strange dynamic between Civilization and Barbarism. Often the most civilized mentalities come straight out of Barbarism -- for instance, a Warrier Caste that once in power institutionalizes a system of impartial justice and programs of charity. Often it starts out with the Barbarian Chieftans hiring Managers from the Population to organize the labor and taxation. these Managers ofcourse would have come from the Old Conquered Civilization. Historians have noticed that often Civilization rushes into a Barbarian Vacuum -- that Barbarians being entwined in the remnants of a Civilization, their children learn Civilized Values -- sharing, charity, All For One and One for All types of values. Indeed, the most successful Barbarians have already been able to mimic Civilization at least at the level of sheer organization. Genghis Khan was able to organize into regiments an Army hundreds of thousands of soldiers. He had his barbarians obeying orders, for the most part. Such subordination and team work is almost Civilized. So it is that Civilization resurrects out of Barbarism -- that the most Civilized Barbarians, who can mobilize the most civilized impulses and thus get the largest hordes fighting together for common cause, will defeat the most independent minded of the Barbarian Chieftans and the Lone Wolves. So, anyway, in evaluating one's own self to determine whether one is more civilized or more barbarian, ask yourself if you would prefer a universal prosperity where you yourself have enough but not much more, or whether you would prefer to have a palace and millions of dollars, only first you have to kill for it. Many people wouldn't bat an eye at killing for personal prophet. Busk and Cheney went to war simply to pop the stock of Haliberton and to push the price of petrol up to $50 a barrel (the News Media and the protests that we were allowed to hear supposed the American's were fighting FOR Oil -- a silly proposition. A Texas President would not fight for Iraqi Oil but for Texas Oil, and the best way to do that is to stop oil flow from the Near East to make Texas Oil more valuable. CNN must have seen that, but they were never allowed to say it, not on camera.

[Leo Volont]

[quote]That is a good question. I depends on what you believe. Personally I believe dream characters, for the most part are represaentations of some part of ourselves. We all have internal conflicts and personal issues wich can come out in our dream characters, as signs. I think our core self wants to be at peace with itself. So to befriend an adverdsary has always worked for me. However if you believe that a DC is truely a (whatever you believe one to be) that is there to hurt you, some people find that destroying them works. To me I can't seem to find any answers that way. I have on the other hand, by befriending them, I have been been shown insite to questions and perplexing questions that I have had. You're a good soul, Howetzer, and I agree with you. In fact, I even believe you. I have problems believing people who say they 'destroy' their enemies in dreams. Wouldn't that effectively destroy, or permanently alienate certain aspects of their Character? One time I had a dream that my friends and myself were attacked by this deadly Medusa like Creature. I had to fight for survival, and so I did, but each time I ripped off her head, she would grow two new ones. Her arms were equally fertile. She seemed unbeatable, but I had the intuition that her energies could not sustain such growth forever. And I was right. She eventually tired and backed away. And I stood my ground but did not advance for the 'kill'. She became just a 16 year old girl, and she was pregnant. My friends quite insisted we take her along for an Ice Cream treat. I shook my head at amazement of this wonderful capacity of dream characters to forgive and forget and we all went out for Ice Cream. So, what was She. She was resilency. She was the ability to find something new if ever anything was lost. And I was able to win her over to myself and my 'friends'. She was pregnant which meant that her 'gifts' would become my gift. But what would have happened had I destroyed her?

[Howie]

That is an interesting dream Leo. Smile I think also people feel that DC have to be people. And as you had shown in that dream they can be anything. I have had several obstacles in dreams that in retrospect I learned all I was doing was fighting myself or my conscience and what I (meaning not me, but the I. Like the innerself) truely desires. And it seems to be a good way of finding who you really are. You could probalbly over analyze dream characters too. I would not think in every case that a DC had a message and every dream scene has something to tell you. I guess you have to have an awarness about yourself in order to extract meaningful things from your dreams. If there is an actual protocal or procedure for interpreting dreams then I am rather ignorant when it comes to that. Although there are so many variables that comes along with that. States of lucidity, awareness, dreaming itself and so many other things that can add to the scenario, I personally think most dream interpretations from a source other than yourself could be construded as subjective to say the least.