Tips/experience with darkness/blindness, lack of dreamscape, how to get out of it?

**tofur** · 04-24-2017 07:04 PM

So I had my 2nd WILD last night with the help of galantamine + alpha GPC (seriously amazing supplements for me, two easy WILDS out of 4 attempts when all the years prior of trying have been failures) but this applies to LD's in general.

Both times and also during some DILDs I experienced what I can only describe as a lack of dreamscape. Like I was aware and asleep but in total darkness with no vision or objects around me. When vision showed up it was very dark/muted and objects were very simple and dull, like early video games with terrible graphics.

Do you guys also experience this? Any good methods for snapping out of it? Both times eventually the dreamscape showed up but it took awhile.

Last night my first experience was going from the darkness of closed eyelids awake in bed to falling out of the darkness in the sky and flying over a city 10k feet below but then that faded into nothingness, then after some time in the "void" I was on the ground and a very basic shack appeared near me and I went inside then felt the wall and ended up having super strength and walked around the inside with my hand in the wall tearing out a big valley in the wood and when I went outside it was sunny and a lot more "normal" looking and the dreamscape seemed more stable for the next 10 minutes (a loud ass mustang drove past my bedroom at 4am and woke me up from it just as I was about to hook up with a hot girl.....grrrrrrr). Seems that sensory interaction with the wood wall helped.

What to do when there is no objects around though? I was trying to will a dreamscape into existence and intend to see stuff but it didn't seem to really have an effect, only when a wall or something shows up and I interact with it do I seem to be able to snap out of it.

Also after I woke up from that dream and was trying to DEILD I had the experience of the blackness behind my eyelids kind of expanding and like I "fell into" it so it wasn't me looking at darkness but more being in the darkness like it was all around me instead of in front, anyone else experience that? Nothing came of it but it was a first for me and kinda felt like I dove partially into sleep.

**pdunc** · 04-24-2017 10:58 PM

Hi Tofur. You probably read the thread that I put up the other day with similar problems to yours. The thing I'm going to work on is stablization. I would recommend checking this link. http://www.dreamviews.com/dva-archiv...m-control.html . I've been rushing things, trying to do all kinds of fun things like flying when I should be taking things step by step within the LD.

**pdunc** · 04-24-2017 11:12 PM

By the way. I've also been using Galantamine, Choline, and Alpha GPC. It has worked wonders. I'm hoping to just go totally natural though once I've had a few more LD's and gotten a bit used to the LD landscape.

**slimslowslider** · 04-28-2017 09:21 PM

Not familiar with this - but maybe try opening your eyes?

**Letaali** · 04-28-2017 10:01 PM

I wouldn't recommend opening or closing your eyes in a dream. You are not using your eyes, so nothing is wrong with your eyes in dreams. Nothing can hinder you. Is the dream dark? Imagine you are standing in a bubble that adds that kind of filter to the world. Outside of it everything is vibrant and colorful. Step out of the bubble and you're good.

If you are in a void with nothing around (Something I experience often) reach behind you and imagine touching something. It can be a door handle, a concrete wall or anything. Imagine how it feels and soon you'll be able to see it. My mind usually starts filling the rest of the dream world with stuff at that point.

**DannyDesu** · 04-29-2017 02:54 AM

If Letaali's post doesn't work, open your dream eyes with your DREAM hands. Don't try to open them by themselves. This could cause you to open your real eyes. Using your dream hands, you won't actually be doing it in your bed since you should be paralyzed by this point.

**slimslowslider** · 04-29-2017 09:38 AM

Since dreams follow belief and intention, I would avoid making assertions ("This follows that."), since anything is possible in a lucid dream. But some things are harder than others because they require more suspension of disbelief. It's why there's beginner's and advanced tasks in the TOTM (although this does set up a belief, perhaps making the advanced tasks advanced) Plainly the OP could just teleport, or spin, or conjure a dreamscene, but his belief, for whatever reason, is making this hard. Its easy to believe that opening the eyes will make it light - hence my tongue-in-cheek suggestion.

Regarding waking whilst opening your eyes in a dream. Since you are opening your dream eyes - why would that wake you? Why are the eyelids any different to any other part of the body? And arent they paralysed like the rtest of the body? Actually I've never got the SP thing. Or rather I've never noticed it - WILDing or waking. I'd love to - the Old Hag sounds like quite a trip! I think there's research proving the existence of lucid dreaming where the subject moved their eyeballs in a predetermined way during REM. Sleepwalking... etc... Is SP really a thing at all? Or maybe it just happens to some people - we are all individuals afterall

**pdunc** · 04-29-2017 06:12 PM

I like your idea DannyDesu. Will try it.

**TravisE** · 05-07-2017 09:43 PM

What I do when I lose dream imagery is just relax and patiently wait while being confident that a dream scene will form. Sometimes it simply seems like some time is needed for new imagery to form for some reason. Occasionally I'll try to kick start the process by attempting to feel the ground (or a part of my body), or make some sound, etc., or I'll just try to move around and explore the dream “scene” anyway (while purposely ignoring the fact that there doesn't appear to be one). Once I'm no longer thinking about the fact that the dream is dark and formless, it usually isn't long before good visuals appear.