Thread: Tell me why this wouldn't work.

Keep your responses simple, please.

• One belief
• One race
• One goal
• One language: written/spoken
• Universal time
• Universal heath
• Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

Universal time? How is that supposed to work? Time is relative! Relative to whatever timeframe you pick...

Originally Posted by ColdCrisis

Universal time? How is that supposed to work? Time is relative! Relative to whatever timeframe you pick...

It's 11:27 AM here, also there.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

It's 11:27 AM here, also there.

Are you trolling me? This is just complete nonsense! If you are serious about it then get some intelligence!

/me thinks you are suggesting genocide.
What's wrong with diversity?

Originally Posted by Evolventity

/me thinks you are suggesting genocide.

Not at all, why would you think this?

What's wrong with diversity?

It's not efficient enough to sustain humanity.

Originally Posted by Cold Crisis

Gravity influences time thus an earth minute can be more than a thousand years in the gravity well of a neutron star -> I (on earth) could live through years,have children,build a house,eat a mahagony dining table and you (over there) still wouldnt have finished your drink.
So the term universal doesn't even work here! Also if you suggest global than 1 AM means sunset in Tokyo and 1 AM means early morning in Berlin. The 12/24 hour day was invented to keep track of how much daylight is left...Your system would complete ruin that!

Are you suggesting the sun dictates when we eat, what we do and why we do it?
Alaska

Seems to me that you worship the Sun, Cold Crisis. Can you tell me why I'd think this about you?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Are you suggesting the sun dictates when we eat, what we do and why we do it?
Alaska

Seems to me that you worship the Sun, Cold Crisis. Can you tell me why I'd think this about you?

Indeed i am suggesting that!Some body funtions are controlled by light that falls into your eyes and indirectly also reactions inside your skin.
For example Vitamine D is generated during sun exposure. I don't think you are going to have a good life without it.So i suggest humans should be out during day.
We live during the day and sleep during night. Its quite obvious why... (In case you question this -> i don't think its easy to see in the dark)



I don't worship the sun and i have no idea why you would think that...

Originally Posted by ColdCrisis

Indeed i am suggesting that!Some body funtions are controlled by light that falls into your eyes and indirectly also reactions inside your skin.
For example Vitamine D is generated during sun exposure. I don't think you are going to have a good life without it.

A universal goal doesn't mean we all have to work/sleep at the same time, though. Why would you think a universal time would be any different? Are you suggesting that because a clock says it's 12:41 PM on this side of the globe and is light outside, that 12:42 PM and dark on the other side of the globe means we all adhere to the same schedule? If we did away with PM/AM, would you still have a problem with a universal time, then?

i suggest humans should be out during day.

As do I.

We live during the day and sleep during night. Its quite obvious why... (In case you question this -> i don't think its easy to see in the dark)

That's not what I'm questing, though.

I don't worship the sun and i have no idea why you would think that...

Then would you like me to tell you why I think this, again?

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

If we did away with PM/AM, would you still have a problem with a universal time, then?

A. Universal is a big word,it means "all across the universe" which does not work...you should use the word global
B. In my normal life i dont even use AM PM -> 24 hour day
C. It would confuse the entire world because 09:45 isnt morning anymore everywhere,its then also afternoon and midnight and so on

Then would you like me to tell you why I think this, again?

Yes!

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Not at all, why would you think this?

I think it's a one way to achieve that. I don't know why that's the first thing that came to my mind. Maybe I'm demented? Welp.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

It's not efficient enough to sustain humanity.

Originally Posted by Evolventity

I think it's a one way to achieve that. I don't know why that's the first thing that came to my mind. Maybe I'm demented? Welp.

Can you think of another way, one that's not so demented?

Originally Posted by Evolventity

So what are you trying to say?

Diversity can only take our species so far before our genetic code becomes too mutated. It works fine in smaller populations, but my concerns aren't confined to an individual level.

I understand that without these mutations our species couldn't exist as it does now, but I also believe that as vital as the mutations are to our evolution, they are redundant if never given an opportunity to fully develop.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

• One belief
• One race
• One goal
• One language: written/spoken
• Universal time
• Universal heath
• Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

Those things wouldn't "work" because none of those factors can be reliably dictated or controlled (as horrific historical efforts to do so have demonstrated), and they're not likely to homogenize on their own. We could maybe declare it 10:00 everywhere, but that would probably be less useful than knowing that 10:00AM in any timezone is mid-morning.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Diversity can only take our species so far before our genetic code becomes too mutated. It works fine in smaller populations, but my concerns aren't confined to an individual level.

I get that you're not making any great effort to be coherent, but come on. What is "too mutated?" It's all mutated. If we didn't speciate when it took months to cross an ocean, we're not going to now that we can get around the globe in half a day. And genetic diversity within a species is an asset; it makes epidemics, climate shifts, and other big changes survivable. Cultural diversity likewise increases the odds that someone within a population will have the tools to overcome any challenge (or heighten any experience).

Gravity influences time thus an earth minute can be more than a thousand years in the gravity well of a neutron star -> I (on earth) could live through years,have children,build a house,eat a mahagony dining table and you (over there) still wouldnt have finished your drink.

So the term universal doesn't even work here! Also if you suggest global than 1 AM means sunset in Tokyo and 1 AM means early morning in Berlin. The 12/24 hour day was invented to keep track of how much daylight is left...Your system would complete ruin that!

Sounds good to me.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Keep your responses simple, please.

Good one.

One belief

As long as it's a belief system that can limit, refine and diversify itself, I have no problems with this.

One race

I think that in the long run, this is the only way to get rid of racism. I think it's a good idea. Again so long as it contains a lot of diversity.

One goal

Now you're getting silly. A unified belief system would already be selecting a cohesive group of goals to achieve.

One language: written/spoken

I could go either way. I feel that there should definitely be a standard language and that everybody should grow up knowing it. I think that some people would be sad to lose so many living languages but oh well.

You won't be able to eliminate the technical languages though. Unless you want to get rid of technical pursuits.

Universal time

Sounds silly. What harm does it do to have to convert between timezones?

Universal heath

Sounds good. Any ideas?

Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero[/list]

Not sure that I understand what you're saying here.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Keep your responses simple, please.

• One belief
• One race
• One goal
• One language: written/spoken
• Universal time
• Universal heath
• Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

Interesting stuff.

One race? What would that one race be, and what would be done with the other races?

One belief? Ha ha, good luck with that. Try getting any two people to agree on everything. Also, do you mean one belief concerning each issue, or just one belief at all? Which area of opinion would that concern?

One goal? Doesn't achieving a goal usually involve achieving goals on the way? Also, what area would the goal concern? If the one goal is peace among nations, what happens to curing cancer and raising one's children? (for example)

One language? Which language? How do we prevent it from evolving in more than one direction? Do we ban the other languages?

Universal time? How will people communicate when they need to be at work or when a concert starts? Does the policy include days, months, and years?

Universal health? As in government insurance? That involves a long list of pros and cons. How do we get every nation on Earth to have it?

Money is worth nothing? Survival becomes about hunting and farming?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

One race? What would that one race be, and what would be done with the other races?

It doesn't exist yet. All other races would become this new one.

One belief? Ha ha, good luck with that. Try getting any two people to agree on everything. Also, do you mean one belief concerning each issue, or just one belief at all? Which area of opinion would that concern?

Where spiritual enlightenment and atheism come together in perfect harmony. Do you think this is possible?

One goal? Doesn't achieving a goal usually involve achieving goals on the way? Also, what area would the goal concern? If the one goal is peace among nations

One race is one nation. How would you feel about space exploration as our unified goal?

what happens to curing cancer and raising one's children?

Nothing happens to it, why would you even think this?

One language? Which language? How do we prevent it from evolving in more than one direction? Do we ban the other languages?

The language doesn't exist yet because the race doesn't either. There wouldn't be any languages to ban, because they would no longer exist having been replaced by this new language.

Universal time? How will people communicate when they need to be at work or when a concert starts? Does the policy include days, months, and years?

I'll see you at the concert at this time. How is that confusing?

Universal health? As in government insurance? That involves a long list of pros and cons. How do we get every nation on Earth to have it?

With only one race I'd imagine it would be quite easy.

Money is worth nothing? Survival becomes about hunting and farming?

That's what it is now, why would removing the monetary system sudenly change things?

One belief

If we had one belief then the world would be incredibly dull.

One race

If you mean treating everyone equally, regardless of race, then I agree with that.

One goal

Again, if everyone had the same goal life would be boring. Seeking out one's personal goal could define the one's self and allow them to become more at peace with themselves, making them a better part of society. It is impossible to make everyone want to accomplish the same thing. And that is good.

One language: written/spoken

One language leads to one culture. Language and culture go hand in hand. One culture would suck.

Universal time

??? I believe time does not truly exist, but I don't know what you mean there

Universal heath

Again, I don't know what that means

Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

Dave, it's easy to envision these things if you would just step back and detach yourself from the way things are, and have always been. I don't have the answers, but I'm more than willing to listen to anyone that does, or at least has enough genuine curiosity to help me think of ways to answer these questions.

how about one gender????? (i was just kidding about that one, i would fine that too awkward.)

i don't think there would be a problem with a global education system, one race, one language (traveling would be easier), or universal health. but i disagree with one goal. everyone has different interest therefore will have different goals. one person might be interested in sports, while another in being a doctor. i don't see the point in having universal time as well. i'm also unsure about the idea of having one belief but it might work. overall, i seriously doubt this will take place. at least not while i'm still alive.

Somewhere in my fantasies I would like to create this kind of world with global unification with no discrimination towards anyone who exist on the globe.

Where we established a new resource based economy where money no longer rules the resources, but science does. As suggested in The Venus Project.

Where everyone gets enough, and only the skillful and knowledgeable get more for the benefit of the whole globe and for personal motivation.

Where power is in skill and knowledge and not in money. Where we strive for efficiency and self improvement. Where we get more powerful by learning and gaining experience rather than lying and playing trade games.

Where even a construction worker or a miner would be able to make good living and thus have motivation to work because gain is largely valued on the effort of work.

Where we advance in technology and spirituality without conflicts between the two.

Where many other good things take place which we can all just think about.

In our world current world this kind of world called UTOPIA.

We have no idea how to get there. There are just too many forces that would keep you away from reaching this new world. Governments, Traders, Religions, Ignorance...

There might only be a chance of a new world when the old world is destroyed or evolved.

The first option is faster but might backfire if enough remnants of the old world survive we would have no progress towards a new world but rather struggle to survive in the old one.

The second option takes too much time to happen we would sooner destroy our old world than evolve enough globally to create a new world.

The only way I see is the mix between the 2 options; When humanity struggles to survive and our differences no longer matter. When we unite to face a global problem. When old world ways prove to be worthless. When enough enlightened people rise to take the opportunity to create the world they dreamed about...

Sometimes I want to take over the world...

And the I become sad...

So many things to destroy...

For nothing!

We are not evolved enough mentally on our globe for a new world.

Not yet...

But we can see the progress. As information technologies evolve and people have access to more knowledge they slowly evolve. Though the old world forces have a strong grip on humanity (Religion, Governments, Money, Ignorance) Opposing forces slowly rise (Atheism, Democracy, Inflation, Education)



Some people just need information technology slapped in their face...



I tried to make a new world in Fallout: New Vegas going the independent route and it failed I was very disappointed.

I watched the Anime Code Geas and the new world philosophy there really touched me emotionally.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

We may achieve a heterogeneity so evenly distributed that it resembles homogeneity. Any two people meeting in such a world are less likely to be concerned with hereditary differences and more likely to have enough language in common to communicate, but does it require that they have no ethnic difference, and no other languages?

I don't see how that level of heterogeneity would be stable. If there were still enough racial tension to prevent interracial breeding then It seems that there would also be enough to prefer racially segregated living. On the other hand, with well mixed heterogeneity and no racial tensions, I would expect to see the human species coalesce down to one race of its own accord. It may take a few centuries to happen completely however I think that it would be inevitable. There would be genetic diversity within this one race and that's a good thing. However I think that it would be a distinctly new and distinctly universal race.

Similar things happen with dogs where if you take all the different breeds and let them intermingle, they revert to an average that looks about like this:

There is all sorts of variation though. Many have shorter hair or a lighter color. But they're all about the same.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

I don't think mankind's destiny is Earth. I think before we can explore the heavens, we need unity among our race (Human). I think people have a hard time understanding this one race idea because their train of thought is centered on what Earth has to offer, whereas someone like me thinks in terms of what the Universe has to offer.

I see all of humanity as a puzzle, where each religion, culture, ethnicity, etc are individual pieces of this puzzle. Once it has been put together, it then becomes a piece of the Universal puzzle. I just don't see how we can start this journey if we're still living in our own individual worlds, and I certainly don't believe it's in our best interest once we've made first contact to come across as those 'hillbillies' from the Milky Way.

There's a reason our alien meme looks the way it does, and that's because deep in our psyche we all know one race is superior to what we are now.

I think that we're going to have to start solving the puzzle as individual humans, nations and races figuring out how to work together. I agree that the ultimate end product will probably be one race but I think that the best way to get that is to work on all presently existing races getting along.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Tell me why this wouldn't work.

Keep your responses simple, please.

• One belief
• One race
• One goal
• One language: written/spoken
• Universal time
• Universal heath
• Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

The fundamental reason: Because of geography and varying weather systems. Think about that. ^_^ ....Though that is more applicable to why it hasn't happened.

Plus, I can't help but think it'd play out like the film 'Equilibrium', where personal expression and individuality was prohibited.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Plus, I can't help but think it'd play out like the film 'Equilibrium', where personal expression and individuality was prohibited.

You're assuming that this would have to be something that some subset of humans imposed on the rest rather than something that happens naturally. The more I think about it, it would happen naturally if all the things that we pretty universally agree need to be done actually got done. I'm thinking of improved education and getting past racism mostly.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

You're assuming that this would have to be something that some subset of humans imposed on the rest rather than something that happens naturally. The more I think about it, it would happen naturally if all the things that we pretty universally agree need to be done actually got done. I'm thinking of improved education and getting past racism mostly.

I do think that. I don't think every human wants the same thing.

The only thing we can all agree on is peace and happiness.....but what then at what cost? And what is peace to you compared to another, and happiness to you compared to another? Again, improved education - everyone agrees. But what will improve education? Everyone doesn't agree on that 'what'.

And a subset of humans imposing on another subset is what happens naturally, unless you wish to selectively kill those humans that do that?