Thread: Tell me why this wouldn't work.

One belief

If we had one belief then the world would be incredibly dull.

One race

If you mean treating everyone equally, regardless of race, then I agree with that.

One goal

Again, if everyone had the same goal life would be boring. Seeking out one's personal goal could define the one's self and allow them to become more at peace with themselves, making them a better part of society. It is impossible to make everyone want to accomplish the same thing. And that is good.

One language: written/spoken

One language leads to one culture. Language and culture go hand in hand. One culture would suck.

Universal time

??? I believe time does not truly exist, but I don't know what you mean there

Universal heath

Again, I don't know what that means

Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

Dave, it's easy to envision these things if you would just step back and detach yourself from the way things are, and have always been. I don't have the answers, but I'm more than willing to listen to anyone that does, or at least has enough genuine curiosity to help me think of ways to answer these questions.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

Having a shared language is not the same thing as having only one language. I'll take the rest of your post ironically, because sanity.

I may only be half sane, however it does seem that having a shared language would make other languages into something like vestigial limbs unless one of them become truly critical to at least one particular (sub)-culture.

So that could well lay the foundation for one language. Even if there are other languages that are spoken for fun then I don't see how that prevents cohesion to nearly the same degree as not having a common language does.

@Greenhavoc. How do you think that having one race would make everything else easier? How is it easier to go from many countries to one country (no countries) when there is one race as opposed to many? I don't see it.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

This is tricky. However we cannot say that it can not be done, we can only say that we don't see how to.

Maybe we can't say a single world culture with one language, one world view and no racial differentiation is impossible, but we can assess whether it's likely and whether it would provide any return on the investment and sacrifice necessary to achieve it. To me, it sounds like a losing game.

We may achieve a heterogeneity so evenly distributed that it resembles homogeneity. Any two people meeting in such a world are less likely to be concerned with hereditary differences and more likely to have enough language in common to communicate, but does it require that they have no ethnic difference, and no other languages?

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

@Greenhavoc. How do you think that having one race would make everything else easier? How is it easier to go from many countries to one country (no countries) when there is one race as opposed to many? I don't see it.

I don't think mankind's destiny is Earth. I think before we can explore the heavens, we need unity among our race (Human). I think people have a hard time understanding this one race idea because their train of thought is centered on what Earth has to offer, whereas someone like me thinks in terms of what the Universe has to offer.

I see all of humanity as a puzzle, where each religion, culture, ethnicity, etc are individual pieces of this puzzle. Once it has been put together, it then becomes a piece of the Universal puzzle. I just don't see how we can start this journey if we're still living in our own individual worlds, and I certainly don't believe it's in our best interest once we've made first contact to come across as those 'hillbillies' from the Milky Way.

There's a reason our alien meme looks the way it does, and that's because deep in our psyche we all know one race is superior to what we are now.

how about one gender????? (i was just kidding about that one, i would fine that too awkward.)

i don't think there would be a problem with a global education system, one race, one language (traveling would be easier), or universal health. but i disagree with one goal. everyone has different interest therefore will have different goals. one person might be interested in sports, while another in being a doctor. i don't see the point in having universal time as well. i'm also unsure about the idea of having one belief but it might work. overall, i seriously doubt this will take place. at least not while i'm still alive.

Somewhere in my fantasies I would like to create this kind of world with global unification with no discrimination towards anyone who exist on the globe.

Where we established a new resource based economy where money no longer rules the resources, but science does. As suggested in The Venus Project.

Where everyone gets enough, and only the skillful and knowledgeable get more for the benefit of the whole globe and for personal motivation.

Where power is in skill and knowledge and not in money. Where we strive for efficiency and self improvement. Where we get more powerful by learning and gaining experience rather than lying and playing trade games.

Where even a construction worker or a miner would be able to make good living and thus have motivation to work because gain is largely valued on the effort of work.

Where we advance in technology and spirituality without conflicts between the two.

Where many other good things take place which we can all just think about.

In our world current world this kind of world called UTOPIA.

We have no idea how to get there. There are just too many forces that would keep you away from reaching this new world. Governments, Traders, Religions, Ignorance...

There might only be a chance of a new world when the old world is destroyed or evolved.

The first option is faster but might backfire if enough remnants of the old world survive we would have no progress towards a new world but rather struggle to survive in the old one.

The second option takes too much time to happen we would sooner destroy our old world than evolve enough globally to create a new world.

The only way I see is the mix between the 2 options; When humanity struggles to survive and our differences no longer matter. When we unite to face a global problem. When old world ways prove to be worthless. When enough enlightened people rise to take the opportunity to create the world they dreamed about...

Sometimes I want to take over the world...

And the I become sad...

So many things to destroy...

For nothing!

We are not evolved enough mentally on our globe for a new world.

Not yet...

But we can see the progress. As information technologies evolve and people have access to more knowledge they slowly evolve. Though the old world forces have a strong grip on humanity (Religion, Governments, Money, Ignorance) Opposing forces slowly rise (Atheism, Democracy, Inflation, Education)



Some people just need information technology slapped in their face...



I tried to make a new world in Fallout: New Vegas going the independent route and it failed I was very disappointed.

I watched the Anime Code Geas and the new world philosophy there really touched me emotionally.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

We may achieve a heterogeneity so evenly distributed that it resembles homogeneity. Any two people meeting in such a world are less likely to be concerned with hereditary differences and more likely to have enough language in common to communicate, but does it require that they have no ethnic difference, and no other languages?

I don't see how that level of heterogeneity would be stable. If there were still enough racial tension to prevent interracial breeding then It seems that there would also be enough to prefer racially segregated living. On the other hand, with well mixed heterogeneity and no racial tensions, I would expect to see the human species coalesce down to one race of its own accord. It may take a few centuries to happen completely however I think that it would be inevitable. There would be genetic diversity within this one race and that's a good thing. However I think that it would be a distinctly new and distinctly universal race.

Similar things happen with dogs where if you take all the different breeds and let them intermingle, they revert to an average that looks about like this:

There is all sorts of variation though. Many have shorter hair or a lighter color. But they're all about the same.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

I don't think mankind's destiny is Earth. I think before we can explore the heavens, we need unity among our race (Human). I think people have a hard time understanding this one race idea because their train of thought is centered on what Earth has to offer, whereas someone like me thinks in terms of what the Universe has to offer.

I see all of humanity as a puzzle, where each religion, culture, ethnicity, etc are individual pieces of this puzzle. Once it has been put together, it then becomes a piece of the Universal puzzle. I just don't see how we can start this journey if we're still living in our own individual worlds, and I certainly don't believe it's in our best interest once we've made first contact to come across as those 'hillbillies' from the Milky Way.

There's a reason our alien meme looks the way it does, and that's because deep in our psyche we all know one race is superior to what we are now.

I think that we're going to have to start solving the puzzle as individual humans, nations and races figuring out how to work together. I agree that the ultimate end product will probably be one race but I think that the best way to get that is to work on all presently existing races getting along.

Originally Posted by greenhavoc

Tell me why this wouldn't work.

Keep your responses simple, please.

• One belief
• One race
• One goal
• One language: written/spoken
• Universal time
• Universal heath
• Monetary value of life, and all thereof is zero

The fundamental reason: Because of geography and varying weather systems. Think about that. ^_^ ....Though that is more applicable to why it hasn't happened.

Plus, I can't help but think it'd play out like the film 'Equilibrium', where personal expression and individuality was prohibited.

Originally Posted by Wolfwood

Plus, I can't help but think it'd play out like the film 'Equilibrium', where personal expression and individuality was prohibited.

You're assuming that this would have to be something that some subset of humans imposed on the rest rather than something that happens naturally. The more I think about it, it would happen naturally if all the things that we pretty universally agree need to be done actually got done. I'm thinking of improved education and getting past racism mostly.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

You're assuming that this would have to be something that some subset of humans imposed on the rest rather than something that happens naturally. The more I think about it, it would happen naturally if all the things that we pretty universally agree need to be done actually got done. I'm thinking of improved education and getting past racism mostly.

I do think that. I don't think every human wants the same thing.

The only thing we can all agree on is peace and happiness.....but what then at what cost? And what is peace to you compared to another, and happiness to you compared to another? Again, improved education - everyone agrees. But what will improve education? Everyone doesn't agree on that 'what'.

And a subset of humans imposing on another subset is what happens naturally, unless you wish to selectively kill those humans that do that?

As soon as everyone is generally the same, insofar as conflict in all forms has dissolved, then there is no creativity, no innovation, no progress - conflict is conducive to the aforementioned.

Don't get me wrong, I wish the world was peaceful and happy; devoid of war and conflict....but so long as we all have our own disparate ideas, war and conflict is an inevitable consequence. The best we can manage is the mitigation of war and conflict.

I know one way: TV and alcohol.

As soon as everyone is generally the same, insofar as conflict in all forms has dissolved, then there is no creativity, no innovation, no progress - conflict is conducive to the aforementioned.

Doesn't have to be.