Thread: Tell me - When did you Become you!

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Remember that that mirror study was more complicated than just looking at your reflection. It was about being aware of your reflection enough to do something about it when there was something unusual placed on your face.

I see. You're right.

And yeah crows are pretty smart.

One crow almost killed my cat... Not that it consciously wanted to do it, but it didn't understand that playing like that was deadly. My cat was enjoying sun on the balcony, and that crow kept flying towards her and then flying away. Eventually my smart cat jumped down from the balcony trying to catch it.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Taosaur, it's a baby talking, right? It's a baby's voice. A bit hard to believe, must be a hoax. Anyway, this crow must have not only said hello, but understood that it was asked to do so.

LOL, no it's not a hoax. A lot of birds can be taught to repeat a few phrases, crows being one of the best known examples. I didn't know, however, that starlings can learn to talk:

Not yet.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Look the observation that some animals are self-aware and others are not is exactly the point. That's why it's such an interesting study.

Remember that that mirror study was more complicated than just looking at your reflection. It was about being aware of your reflection enough to do something about it when there was something unusual placed on your face.

Yeah cats don't understand that they're looking at themselves in the mirror. Often they think it's another cat. That's exactly the point!

In any case, I didn't conduct this study myself, so I don't have all the answers. I merely saw it and found it very interesting, and I don't recall ever seeing a different self-awareness experiment. Maybe there's a better way to do it...?

And yeah crows are pretty smart.

Some animals are self-aware, but only humans are aware of self-awarness.

Originally Posted by G-O-D

Some animals are self-aware, but only humans are aware of self-awarness.

How do you know that? (not to take this further off topic or anything )

Originally Posted by Shift

How do you know that? (not to take this further off topic or anything )

I read about it.

Originally Posted by G-O-D

I read about it.

From a reliable source? I don't know how anyone could possibly know that. I'd like to read it.

Originally Posted by Shift

From a reliable source? I don't know how anyone could possibly know that. I'd like to read it.

I can try to look it up for you, if you'd like. But yes it was a reliable source if my memory serves right.

What i read was something along the lines that several animals such as Elephants and Dolphins are self-aware just as humans IE if you put some rubbish onto an Elephant's head and put a mirror infront of it, it will respond by lifting its trunk and removing the rubbish. Then it proceded to explain how humans are the only ones who are self aware of self awareness. It went on to say that all humans have the potential for it but not all excercise it.

But are we self aware of our self awareness of our self awareness?!

Originally Posted by Taosaur

The crow is not dispersing salutations, he's merely of the Islamic faith.

i dont know where or when, i'm just me i gues...

Taosaur, I'm still working at trying to believe you. Where did you get these talking bird videos?

I did something similar to what you describe, most vividly age 12 or so.

I looked in the mirror, seeing the person there.

I think it's the first time I objectified myself, saw myself as an other, separate from me.

Originally Posted by Arutad

Taosaur, I'm still working at trying to believe you. Where did you get these talking bird videos?

I'm sorry to laugh, but you're being extremely skeptical about something that is common knowledge. I guess everybody has blind spots they just haven't filled in yet.

Have you ever heard of parrots? "Polly want a cracker," that sort of thing?

Start googling, and the world will open up to you.

Hahaha, my friends told me today that you're right and not only parrots can talk

Live and learn!

Originally Posted by Positive Mental Octopus

At what age did you ask yourself, this is me?

I was young (like 7) I remember looking into a mirror and wondering what made me, "me"

Just wondering if some of you remember an awareness of your individual identity the first time.

absurd

That Starling video was absolutely amazing. But his kisses sound, to me, like laughter lol

I became aware of "myself" when I was about 4. But because a persons self changes, other big turning points in my life were ages 7, 13, 17-ish and 24-ish.
I don't identify myself primarily with my name or my reflection, but the inner workings of my mind and personality.

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

absurd

then don't read.
It will save you time.

please cease in exposing Dreamviews to a concentrated dose of your wonder right now.

I became what I am today at the age of twelve, on a frigid overcast day in the winter of 1975. I remember the precise moment, crouching behind a crumbling mud wall, peeking into the alley near the frozen creek. That was a long time ago, but it's wrong what they say about the past, I've learned, about how you can bury it. Because the past claws its way out. Looking back now, I realize I have been peeking into that deserted alley for the last twenty-six years.

Originally Posted by Kiza

I became what I am today at the age of twelve, on a frigid overcast day in the winter of 1975. I remember the precise moment, crouching behind a crumbling mud wall, peeking into the alley near the frozen creek. That was a long time ago, but it's wrong what they say about the past, I've learned, about how you can bury it. Because the past claws its way out. Looking back now, I realize I have been peeking into that deserted alley for the last twenty-six years.

I lol'ed

Still hasn't happened yet, I still have no idea who I am.

Originally Posted by Positive Mental Octopus

then don't read.
It will save you time.

please cease in exposing Dreamviews to a concentrated dose of your wonder right now.

ho ho ho