Thread: Tell me about some martial arts...

Originally Posted by tkdyo

so...another of these kind of threads eh? Honestly...eye groin and knee are very good vital spots....you just have to get accidentally hit in one of those spots...now imagine that force you felt with actually speed and power put in to it....yeah...

How do you develop fast and strong strikes to eyes, groin or knees without actually trainining those specific strikes with full force?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Ground skill are important but ONLY for getting back up. Grappling someone in a real life situation is the worst idea that there is. Always assume your opponent is armed.

I wasn't implying you should pull guard and work sweeps on the street.
Getting up and escaping/scrambling from bad positions is a big part of any grappling style. It's a nontrivial set of skills. I've yet to see someone untrained in grappling escape from being pinned by a stronger and heavier person.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Punching, kicking, evasion, throwing, is taught by all instructors.

It's not about techniques you're taught but how you train them.
Punching air =/= punching a person

In fact, most SD schools never use any kind of sparring or only use very light kind.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Most MMA i've seen / fought it have been shirtless. Your opponent's shirt is a hell of a good weapon against them in real self defense. Hockey players pull the shirts up for a good reason.

It's harder to throw someone who is shirtless then someone with their clothes on.
MMA (actually greco, freestyle and judo) throws use grips, over- and underhooks, that work the same way for shirtless and fully clothed opponents.
I've trained hapkido before starting MMA and it's much harder throwing people without Gis. Once you master no-Gi throwing, you can throw anyone regardless of their clothes.

pads/boards work quite well for that. If you can bust through a board with your finger tips...and I mean in a fighting stance, not all down low and setting up and such....then you should be pretty sure you can seriously hurt someone's vital spot

and yes Ninja is right that the best grappling skills for actual self defense is getting back up or avoiding getting taken down

Originally Posted by tkdyo

pads/boards work quite well for that. If you can bust through a board with your finger tips...and I mean in a fighting stance, not all down low and setting up and such....then you should be pretty sure you can seriously hurt someone's vital spot

Pads and boards don't move and they don't hit back.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

and yes Ninja is right that the best grappling skills for actual self defense is getting back up or avoiding getting taken down

I agree with that, as said before. However, you need to train it before you're able to do it.

Originally Posted by SnakeCharmer

Pads and boards don't move and they don't hit back.

My teacher had a room full of heavy bags that you would get swinging. then you would have to move through the room striking them and avoiding them. It was a pretty good workout.

He also had mobile frames to hold boards with at all heights. one person would leave the room and the others would set them up in random places. Then you would have to come in and break all the boards as fast as possible.

We also did full contact sparring which is pretty critical. Anybody that doesn't train that is training for a sport IMO.

Originally Posted by SnakeCharmer

Pads and boards don't move and they don't hit back.

that doesnt make the training useless. if you can aim a strike at the chin, you should be able to move it down a notch to the the throat, or up to the eyes....also thats why I said you have to do them from a ready position and not a set up low breaking position. its all in how you do it.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

My teacher had a room full of heavy bags that you would get swinging. then you would have to move through the room striking them and avoiding them. It was a pretty good workout.

Still, bags and boards can't punch you in the head while you're trying to perform your technique of choice.
And they don't really have groins, eyes or knees, so you're still not practicing your specific techniques in the way you would be using them in a fight.

Originally Posted by PhilosopherStoned

We also did full contact sparring which is pretty critical. Anybody that doesn't train that is training for a sport IMO.

Huh? Everyone training for sport does full contact sparring.

It doesn't really make a difference what you're training for. It's how you train it.
"Train as you fight"
If you don't train a technique in full sparring you can't rely on being able to use it in a fight (street fight or a sport match), that's what I'm trying to say.

And I'm not trying to turn this into a TMA vs MMA thread.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

that doesnt make the training useless. if you can aim a strike at the chin, you should be able to move it down a notch to the the throat, or up to the eyes....also thats why I said you have to do them from a ready position and not a set up low breaking position. its all in how you do it.

I didn't say it's useless. Hitting foucus pads and bags is an essential part of training.
It develops certain skills, but you can't learn how to fight from it.

Originally Posted by SnakeCharmer

Still, bags and boards can't punch you in the head while you're trying to perform your technique of choice.

The point is that you don't perform your technique of choice. If they have those wands attached to them with bungie cords and marked targets, then you train the ability to find the right technique to perform.

Do you guys think that there are some styles extremely tall or short people should stay away from? If so, which ones, and why?

The governing idea here is what my teacher referred to as the theory of the longest weapon. It states that if you have the longest weapon then you want to strike your opponent. If your oppenent has the longest weopon, then you want to strike your opponents weapon and then strike your opponent. So if you are tall then you can focus on straight strikes and punches that target the edge of your range. If you're short, then you want to focus on sweeping strikes to clear the weapons and then close the distance so that their length of weapons isn't an advantage. A good martial art should have both. He made us learn both because both types are useful for both types of people and short people will have to teach tall people and vice versa.

extremely short people should stay away from sport tkd/boxing because its pretty hard to get inside someone who know's what they are doing from a sport perspective. However, for self defense Id say thats very good for them cause then they can get inside anyone....really tall people...not really, anything to get you coordinated

Do you think Kareem Abdul Jabbar was a good martial artist? He used to be a basketball player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij4r4...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JIia...eature=related

I iwhs I was that tall. ;o

not possible to say without seeing him fin a full contact spar or fight. choreographed stuff doesn't do the trick.

Aww, too bad. I still think he's awesome.

Wing Chung Kung Fu.... soft at first, push hands, sensing, controlling space / distance, syncing... then explosive attack.

Kuk Sool Wan, mixed Korean style, Aikido, Hopkido and Taikwando... elegant & dangerous. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuk_Sool_Won