Thread: Lucid dreaming without methods of induction. Instant?

Ive designed my cirucit board and off to get the components tomorrow. I love gadgets and looking forward to play with it. People say that the visuals are awesome.

Strobe Light and Dream Machine Tidbits:

Department of transport guidelines say that trees planted alongside motorways must not be of uniform distance apart as drowsiness, nausea and 'motorway madness' ensue.

A security agency has tested strobe lights as part of crowd control and can cause epilieptic fits in approximately 1 in 4 people.

February 15th 1960 Ian Sommerville had a lucid dream with a homemade dream machine.

A friend of Brion described a journey to another planet complete with aliens.

Electronics giant Philips sniffed around for patent posibilities but rejected the dream machine as they were only interested if it made people go to sleep.

From Gysin's plans I have calculated that Gysin & Sommerville's dream machine had a strobe frequency of 10.4 Hz

This would explain why the online version default is 10 Hz

Great work Mcwillis... I wish I could help you with this but the only help I've been able to bring was re-livening the concept lol... Let me know how its working out..

It may be something as simple as brain entrainment, but, via more systems than just visual. It would also activate sensory neurons of skin tuned for photon reception. I bet that natural sunlight was the best for all around sensory input, and thus brain entrainment. Def need to research this a bit more. I'll see if I can make some sort of box to put over my face, and then make some sort of device to flicker the sun light. I'll also make some sort of led machine to( I got a little time on my hand) and I know a lil about brain entrainment too, so I'll see what I can do( give me a couple weeks).

Ok cool, between Moto and Mcwillis we should be getting some testing on the way

Originally Posted by Moto

It may be something as simple as brain entrainment, but, via more systems than just visual. It would also activate sensory neurons of skin tuned for photon reception. I bet that natural sunlight was the best for all around sensory input, and thus brain entrainment. Def need to research this a bit more. I'll see if I can make some sort of box to put over my face, and then make some sort of device to flicker the sun light. I'll also make some sort of led machine to( I got a little time on my hand) and I know a lil about brain entrainment too, so I'll see what I can do( give me a couple weeks).

Ive looked into auditory entrainment in the past and its nowhere near as fast and effective as visual from what I have researched recently into the visual side. Shamans have been known to use their fingers against the sun to create the strobe effect. Look forward to comparing results

This thread is really developing fast. I can't wait to see some results.

From what I have researched so far I will probably only experience hypnogogic imagery. Now some people say that they see faces after the geometric patterns. I am initially going to let it run for 15 minutes before it switches itself off. I am hoping it will provide me with enough stable imagery to be able to use Nick Newport's guaranteed 'containment and spinning' method from lucidology 102 to suck me into a lucid dream.

yes that would rock.. keep me posted and where do yo live? Maybe after you test it thoroughly you can send it to me so i can try it and send it back. It may or may not work for everyone so it would be good to have 2 people test it. If we did this, there is a way i could give you a deposit or something if you wanted... let me know how it works..

If it works I won't let it out of my sight for a little while

If it does work well with Nick's method with the visuals I can make you a circuit board and then you would have to make a sleep mask to house it.

Awesome, that works for me as well I can't wait til we see how this goes.. personally I think the flashing at the brains naturally frequency of sleep may work wonderful for Wilding and with Vilding, and probably even Filding as well... I cant wait to see more...

This all sounds interesting and promising. If this flashing led face mask works really well, wouldn't it be even better if we could get auditory entrainment synced with the flashing so that both are at the same frequency. I think that would speed up the development of the imagery and maybe intensify the effect. I hope the led light mask proves successful!

I did find a resource page about using different coloured light and white seems the best for this. I have looked into a combo and I don't see adding it would make a significant difference.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I did find a resource page about using different coloured light and white seems the best for this. I have looked into a combo and I don't see adding it would make a significant difference.

that seems to fall in line with what I have read as well... light on the eyes is supposed to be much more effective than sound.

Atkins,

I have had to send away for a couple of components. I need ones that have a high tolerance of accuracy as I don't have an oscilloscope to test the frequency of my circuit board. There isn't much point buying a capacitor with a possible +/- 20% tolerance so I have had to send away for a capacitor with a much higher accurate capacitance. So when it is made I will PM you a cost of parts and then if you send me the money via paypal I will make the circuit board and ship it to you Im also going to leave a tutorial here on how to make one for any budding soldering iron ninja's !!

Originally Posted by Raspberry

This is an interesting thread! I'd love to help, but unfortunatly I know nothing about dream masks, LEDs, pulses, waves, all the stuff you guys are discussing... But good job so far!

Ive had an idea of housing the flashing lights in a pair of goggles. If you like I can make you a circuit board and put it into goggles for you if you pay for the parts. That way you can help by telling your experiences. Obviously I will only make a few if people are interested.

Yea. let me know cost of parts and we'll go from there.

Originally Posted by mcwillis

Atkins,

I have had to send away for a couple of components. I need ones that have a high tolerance of accuracy as I don't have an oscilloscope to test the frequency of my circuit board. There isn't much point buying a capacitor with a possible +/- 20% tolerance so I have had to send away for a capacitor with a much higher accurate capacitance. So when it is made I will PM you a cost of parts and then if you send me the money via paypal I will make the circuit board and ship it to you Im also going to leave a tutorial here on how to make one for any budding soldering iron ninja's !!

LoL thanks, but I think we should figure out if this gives any worthwhile effects before making a tutorial lol... I really do have great hope for this but we will see

One other thing. Have you ever heard of the god helmet? lol

Originally Posted by atkins513

LoL thanks, but I think we should figure out if this gives any worthwhile effects before making a tutorial lol... I really do have great hope for this but we will see

Good point. It would help if it did work!!

Originally Posted by atkins513

One other thing. Have you ever heard of the god helmet? lol

I think I saw someone talk about it here but under a different name and it didn't do much for them.

eh its interesting but its where a guy made a helmet with electrodes that stimulate a particular part of the head/brain, and these subjects are in a pitch dark room. He stimulates this part of the brain for about 3-5 minutes very lightly and they have vivid visions. Usually visions of talking to god or a past on loved one.. I just thought it was interesting when i saw it, because it seems to me he is sparking lucidity but that isnt anything I want to be playing around with.. im fine with lights in the eyes, but electrical current on the brain is another beast im not willing to tackle lol

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Built my dream machine and it works well. The frequency should be about 10 Hz. The white LED's are in the bottom corners. Sorry for the quality of the photo. My phone has a poor camera which I rarely use. I have tried it for two minutes. Started seeing multicoloured globules of various colours of the rainbow. Definately has an effect. I need to house it in the mask properly and make sure I don't have any possible electrical shorts in the mask as the LED's started to exhibit glitches and it was fine again after I removed it from the mask. I will give it a proper whirl before going to sleep tonight. Joy...

Found out the reason for the glitches. The NE555 timer chip is over heating inside the mask. I will have to make a heatsink for it. Damn, now I know why prototypes are called prototypes !!

Hey guys, watch this guy speak about his experiences with the Nova Dreamer dream-mask. Quite interesting...

YouTube - Lucid Dreaming #11 - Lucid Dream Induction Devices