Thread: Lucid dreaming without methods of induction. Instant?

Originally Posted by imj

I used a timer that could be reset at anytime by pressing a small switch held in the hand while falling asleep. I had the cue enter the dream but the problem was recognizing it. So I later resorted to using it to induce WILD or in hopes to add some conscious awareness into dreams. I got some success with the latter. During one of the test pattern of light which was having the light remain on and then off for 2 s and then turn back on like a beacon I was able to see the light in the dream and because it was a waking up dream where I was already awake but still dreaming I was able to dream not lucidly but with waking memory of what I wanted from the dream and it manifested in the dream. It did not last long because the light was negating the continuing formation of the dream. I did it on two nights but further testing proved that it was affecting dreaming and sleep so I had to stop.

IMJ

Thanks for the reply. It maybe something to bear in mind.

Okay, jumping RIGHT into the middle of a conversation here, but the comment about the lights being similar to a zoetrope started me having strange, random associations. Dream palaces, as movie theaters were called, flicker lights/images at various frames per second. Anyone think it's possible to have a looped zoetrope style series of images that might help trigger lucid dreams?

I've created my own binaural beats and isochronic beats, and I have a vague understanding of how they work (especially the binaural beats, the iso I have plugins for, so I'm cheating). But exactly how would one rate the "frames per second" to get to the alpha wave?

Anyhoo, just a random somewhat related thought to toss into the mix.

i shit you now.. That virtual dream machine just made me shit brix.. after a few mins of it i startet to be able to see.. with my eyes closed? the fuck?

Originally Posted by Dreambird

i shit you now.. That virtual dream machine just made me shit brix.. after a few mins of it i startet to be able to see.. with my eyes closed? the fuck?

Do you mean the online version?

I solved the overheating issue by adding a BC547 NPN transistor to the output of the NE555 timer chip and also added a 250 ohm variable resistor to alter the brightness of the flashing LED's. A full experiment begins tonight

Originally Posted by mcwillis

I solved the overheating issue by adding a BC547 NPN transistor to the output of the NE555 timer chip and also added a 250 ohm variable resistor to alter the brightness of the flashing LED's. A full experiment begins tonight

Sweet! Please keep us posted.

Originally Posted by anderj101

Sweet! Please keep us posted.

Yea thanks for the tip. I was overlooking the obvious !!!

Tried my dream machine last night and I saw a lot of short thin lines of light. I also started to see movements of colour begin to form in the centre of my eyelid space vision. After about five minutes I started to feel strong vibrational currents throughout my body just like when listening to audio brainwave entrainment but more pronounced. I then felt mild pain in the extreme left and right of the back of my brain so I stopped there and then. I was tired and it had been a long day. I'm going to leave it 48 hours and use again in the afternoon or early evening instead. No abnormal after effects.

Originally Posted by Dreambird

i shit you now.. That virtual dream machine just made me shit brix.. after a few mins of it i startet to be able to see.. with my eyes closed? the fuck?

You mean you had an FA?...Be more specific! What about the feeling you had after it...did it tire you out? Did you even have a proper night's sleep for that matter. If it's gonna screw up sleep I wouldn't use it even if it worked.

IMJ

Wow, thats neat. Maybe if it works after you try it Mcwill you can send me the blueprints to make one?

Yes I can sort out a blueprint if you want one. Mine gets its first proper test run in less than an hour.

How where your results. let us know sir

Sounds promising, like you were starting towards wild ld

Yes it was an interesting experience and I could feel my consciousness change profoundly at times. The brain pain does concern me though.

i dont think the brain pain is anything to worry about, after all, its just light lol.. I think it may have been your brains way of signaling you that something was different than normal.. like possibly your brain was trying to switch to rem mode with low melatonin or something, but this is theory

Hmmm. It's a shame there isn't much experimental experince to find on the internet. Mr. Sommerville used his for many years. Aquanina is deeply interested in the brain, she may know why that part of my brain experienced pain.

I just did the online on.
I started getting visuals. There might be something to this.

How long did you watch for?

Were the flashes of light inconsistent as they were for me?

What did you see

The visuals look like HI kinda.
I started seeing red blobs twisting and spinning and then turned into what looked like a flag.

I have experienced some visuals with the online one for well, when using it with my big screen tv, the brightness full, and with no other visible light. I did see some result but it was still dim by comparison of leds and I think ineffective overall result because of not being bright enough.

I had an idea for myself. What I plan to do tonight is when the lights go out (Since I have roommates whilst I'm deployed), I'm going to put the machine on, and listen to an isochronic tone for lucid dreaming for 30 minutes with it flickering. Then I'm going to watch the subliminal lucid video from world of lucid dreaming. After that I might listen to one more aid while I actually try to get to sleep.

sounds very interesting but I'd rather stick to MILD/DILD/DEILD before moving onto more complex things. Best master the basics and get lucid the 'old fashioned way' for now, but good luck to you more experienced LD'ers

I'm getting inspired by your testing...I have started 'resusing' my light..but I'm using it as MILD for now.... It's been a long time since someone posted some device to an otherwise dead idea of using light cues.

IMJ

I forgot one thing: I actually recalled two vivid dreams. One I nearly forgot, but recovered the details through the day. So I'm going to start trying to use this as a tool as often as I can.

Ok so I tried my little thing again. I did it for about 37 minutes this time. I was laying down though. I was very tired because I had to deprive myself of sleep to be ready to work the next day (And thusly get a full night; So one "Morning" I slept for four hours and I just slept for eight at a normal hour).

I listened to the lucid dream isochronic from unexplainable.net (Which I do recommend) and brain sync's lucid dreaming mp3 which is basically theta waves with subliminal messages thrown in.

I did end up falling asleep through it, but then I woke up and I put Hemi Sync on. The lucid dreaming tapes 2A-2B which is a total of about 90 minutes. I got really relaxed from being put into focus 10, and after I was put to down into deep sleep I had some very crazy and erratic lucid dreams. I had probably around 15, but they didn't start to calm down until about dream 8.

Hemi sync products tend to do this to me. I have dreams while I am in the middle of listening to a lot of them. But they are generally very controlled and fairly calm lucids, and not nuts like last night.

I had six dreams that weren't so bad. Three of them were prototype dreams. I haven't played the game in a few days (I have it on PC), but I know I was Alex for some moments. I did the claw underground move, ran extremely fast, and flipped around on walls. I had three romantic dreams as well before that. I was trying to focus on the latter as the thing to "Jog my imagination" but was pretty unsuccessful at making it specifically that subject.

I had what felt to be Two OOBEs as well, but I think it was just a dream this time. I did what some people call "Pulling the cord" (I simply thought about it), and while some of the scenery was exactly that of where I am now, a few things changed. Mainly the time of day as it was day in my dream/oobe? but it was night at the time I had it.

Unfortunately through a lot of them my site was not very vivid. It seemed like everything was in black and white and very dark, but that's the setting I was on. All the more for me to maybe connect those dots.

I really feel that the dream machine had an effect this time. I had a large increase in dreams/LDs, and I would think the fact that they were erratic and the color in most of them had something to do with the speed of the flash.

My only issue is that it seems I need hemi sync to assist me, and when it does I can't seem to be able to just do it on my own without in the same period of sleep. Who knows though? I'm about to nap a little again in a few minutes. Maybe something else will pop up.


I thank the OP for the info.