Thread: Lucid dreaming without methods of induction. Instant?

I tried the online dream machine just there:
Sitting up
Dark room, monitor was the only light source
Close to a large monitor
About five minutes long

The result was a series of weird geometric patterns, usually in red from the light shining through my eyelids, they almost seemed to be just caused by the flashing as a trick of the light, but it was clear they were HI because I was able to rotate them and control them to a certain degree. I didn't feel any physical sensations and I doubt it could induce a WILD, but I still reckon there's something in this.

All of this reminds me of my experiments several years ago.
I have a mind machine light/sound, like the one shown in the initial video.
I also have a novadreamer, but have not really had much luck with that.

The L/S machine really does drive brainwaves and because of this, is not always suitable for inducing lucids.
I have not been able to go straight into a lucid type dream with the device and have used it many, many times at pre-programmed frequencies. Some people including myself that have used it have had at times vivid images appear to them, from faces staring back at them to finding themselves in vivid green fields. But these images are always fleeting as the driven brainwaves are so tight, that the mind cannot go into the direction it would like to see more.

However, over the years I have come to the conclusion that whilst the machine is on, you are not going to experience a lucid dream. BUT, the brain does resonate with those same frequencies for hours after a session and this can be useful.

A few years ago, I developed a series of frequencies in a program that lasted for about 40mins I believe. I still have the program on my mind machine and could check it out again. I found that when the program finished I felt very tired and would then switch the unit off and just lay back in bed and try to sleep.
On every occasion after the program was played, I consciously moved into sleep paralysis and on several occasions these went into lucid dreams/OOBE.

It can be done, but more research has to be done. Flashing lights will entrain the brain too tightly and the chances are that you will not experience lucid dreams whilst the unit is on, as the frequency driving will not allow it to happen. But it can be done after if you hit the right frequencies.

If you have heard of the book (Advanced lucid dreaming), then you may have heard of the author. He was connected to an ecg and his brain waves were monitored whilst he lucid dreamed. It was found that his brainwave frequencies peaked occasionally at 9Hz every time he went lucid, so look at this frequency or there about’s to help with this experiment , but also understand that these 9hz came in quick burst of a second or so every now again only.

Hope this helps.

Also, it is sometimes more helpful to have the led's at low light instead of bright, as the lower the brightness, the more the brain can over-ride the frequency driving and move into the direction it wants to move into itself.

You might find this interesting.

Mind Machine Experiments and Lucid Dreaming | Dreaming Life

Something else of interest...

Brainwave Entrainment for Lucid Dreams - Dreamviews Lucid Dreaming Community & Resource

Why exactly are we trying to induce Alpha waves? All my knowledge of brain waves and their relation to sleeping/waking states comes from Wikipedia, but it doesn't seem that Alpha waves have much to do with REM sleep, what Magus posted regarding using Binaural beats seemed far more useful.

Originally Posted by Duo

Why exactly are we trying to induce Alpha waves? All my knowledge of brain waves and their relation to sleeping/waking states comes from Wikipedia, but it doesn't seem that Alpha waves have much to do with REM sleep, what Magus posted regarding using Binaural beats seemed far more useful.

Duo,

When we enter rem sleep, most of the time we are in theta brain waves. If however alpha should kick in whilst still having strong theta, then we will become more aware and conscious. We can experience alpha, that produces a relaxed but aware state, hence lucid dreams.
Theta will produce dreams, but depending how much alpha is present will depend on how much awareness we have in the dream state. If you have no alpha you will not remember your dreams at all...