Possibly the key to lucid dreaming?

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Originally Posted by SilverBullet

If you don't want to do it then don't, I'm not forcing anyone. Also, no there are things of value that are free. Like recently.
My brother got a nice wooden piano that should cost A LOT of money, but guess how much he got it for? FREE.

Another: My mother loves to grow, sell, and smoke marijuana. A few days ago she found a sealed bag full of marijuana worth 1000$ in a public garbage at the place she works at.

Nother: My computer is pretty much free (it's a nice one too) It was given to me. When It got messed up with a virus we got it fixed, for FREE.

And another(kinda): My brother got a car for 1000 bucks. It's a pretty good one too. All it had was some problems with the transmission.

I learned to lucid dream very easily, when I tried too hard I couldn't get any, when I didn't try that hard at all they just rushed in.

Maybe it just depends on what you think has "value". I lucid dream very easily. I mean, I have these awesome adventures, I learn things, I expand my mind... And I barely have to lift a finger.

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What i think carwashguy was trying to say is,that things that are not worked for, are not worth getting but i do like your idea and have heard of stuff like it so i will try it

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Originally Posted by SilverBullet

If you don't want to do it then don't, I'm not forcing,

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One of the issues I brought up is that these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits. I believe this technique is dangerous for this reason.

In all of your examples, things of value were either given as gifts or were found. That doesn't mean that these things magically came into existence for free, first of all (e.g. somewhere down the line someone worked hard to build that piano). But this is besides the point: the ability to lucid dream is a skill, and not a purchasable item. Believe me--I wish I could either buy it or receive it as a gift, but as far as I know and from what I've read in books, I'm going to have to work hard and be disciplined to earn this skill.

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Originally Posted by carwashguy

One of the issues I brought up is that these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits. I believe this technique is dangerous for this reason.

In all of your examples, things of value were either given as gifts or were found. That doesn't mean that these things magically came into existence for free, first of all (e.g. somewhere down the line someone worked hard to build that piano). But this is besides the point: the ability to lucid dream is a skill, and not a purchasable item. Believe me--I wish I could either buy it or receive it as a gift, but as far as I know and from what I've read in books, I'm going to have to work hard and be disciplined to earn this skill.

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I don't get it. I'm luring people? What? It's not like I'm gaining anything from trying to help you, your acting like I'm selling something.
I'm not making any of this up.
Lucid dreaming is all in the attitude and mindset. Almost every other method for lucid dreaming works indirectly by making you have this mindset unintentionally. This technique or anti-technique or whatever the fuck you want to call it is, instead, direct.

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Originally Posted by carwashguy

One of the issues I brought up is that these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits. I believe this technique is dangerous for this reason.

In all of your examples, things of value were either given as gifts or were found. That doesn't mean that these things magically came into existence for free, first of all (e.g. somewhere down the line someone worked hard to build that piano). But this is besides the point: the ability to lucid dream is a skill, and not a purchasable item. Believe me--I wish I could either buy it or receive it as a gift, but as far as I know and from what I've read in books, I'm going to have to work hard and be disciplined to earn this skill.

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Oh. My. God. That is all I can say. Who the f*** do you think you are?I fully agree with SilverBullet! What do you want? SilverBullet is trying to help us, we who don't lucid dream natural. I'm really pissed that there are people like you on this forum. SilverBullet is taking his experience, and wants to help us. And you? You don't give a damn s***, and just criticize him and his technique. Were you high when you wrote this? SilverBullet never talked about buying something from him??!!! Don't be rude to people that want, and do help us.

Wish you lucid journeys!
Dicci0308

First off, I'm sorry if you guys feel like I'm attacking you. I have nothing against you, personally. I want to thank you for writing about your experiences for us to read about. You've clearly put a lot of time into this guide, and I think that's great. What I'm trying to do is offer a critique on techniques that are based on these very broad ideas such as "trusting yourself," "not trying," etc. (I labeled them "anti-techniques.") I think it's good to say "be confident in your ability and don't give up" when it's supplement to an actual technique. However, I believe it's very silly to say "DON'T TRY AT ALL." This appears to be where we disagree.

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Originally Posted by SilverBullet

I don't get it. I'm luring people? What?

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For example, you say in your first post:

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Originally Posted by SilverBullet

Don't try to have a lucid dream. Just sleep! It's the same part of the brain that can wake you up at an exact time without an alarm, you don't try to. You just expect it to and trust it to. If you are going to do this it is very important NOT TO TRY, EVEN A LITTLE. When I thought about it, I now know that about 90% of my lucid dreams happen because I did this unknowingly.

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So here, it's clear that you're advising people not to try to have lucid dreams, and then you go on to say this will help people succeed. This is what I mean when I say, "these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits." In other words, I believe "not trying, even a little" is a very bad habit, and you're luring people into doing just this by saying it will help. Of course, we disagree, but I don't see what's wrong with offering my point of view. Is it against the rules on this forum to offer my concerns if they conflict with the thread-maker's own opinion? If so, I'll shut up.

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Originally Posted by dicci0308

SilverBullet never talked about buying something from him??!!! Don't be rude to people that want, and do help us.

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I apologize if I came off as rude. However, judging from your post, I think you may've got the wrong idea of why I was talking about purchasable items and such.

• First I say that things of value take effort.
• SilverBullet counters by saying that some things of value are free by offering examples.
• I counter-counter by saying that, in those examples, the things of values are purchasable items, and not skills. Because you can't purchase a skill, then it can't be given or found freely (as in SilverBullet's examples). Thus, lucid dreaming, a skill, can not be gained for free (unless you're a natural, of course).
• I never intended to make it seem like SilverBullet was selling something. I think you're mixing this up because of the puchasable item analogy.

Also, I think it's important for me to repeat something I said in my first post on this thread. It may very well be that this technique is useful in some sense, but if so, it's because this technique is simply a reimagining of the "autosuggestion" technique found in EWLD.

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Originally Posted by carwashguy

First off, I'm sorry if you guys feel like I'm attacking you. I have nothing against you, personally. I want to thank you for writing about your experiences for us to read about. You've clearly put a lot of time into this guide, and I think that's great. What I'm trying to do is offer a critique on techniques that are based on these very broad ideas such as "trusting yourself," "not trying," etc. (I labeled them "anti-techniques.") I think it's good to say "be confident in your ability and don't give up" when it's supplement to an actual technique. However, I believe it's very silly to say "DON'T TRY AT ALL." This appears to be where we disagree.

For example, you say in your first post:

So here, it's clear that you're advising people not to try to have lucid dreams, and then you go on to say this will help people succeed. This is what I mean when I say, "these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits." In other words, I believe "not trying, even a little" is a very bad habit, and you're luring people into doing just this by saying it will help. Of course, we disagree, but I don't see what's wrong with offering my point of view. Is it against the rules on this forum to offer my concerns if they conflict with the thread-maker's own opinion? If so, I'll shut up.


I apologize if I came off as rude. However, judging from your post, I think you may've got the wrong idea of why I was talking about purchasable items and such.

• First I say that things of value take effort.
• SilverBullet counters by saying that some things of value are free by offering examples.
• I counter-counter by saying that, in those examples, the things of values are purchasable items, and not skills. Because you can't purchase a skill, then it can't be given or found freely (as in SilverBullet's examples). Thus, lucid dreaming, a skill, can not be gained for free (unless you're a natural, of course).
• I never intended to make it seem like SilverBullet was selling something. I think you're mixing this up because of the puchasable item analogy.

Also, I think it's important for me to repeat something I said in my first post on this thread. It may very well be that this technique is useful in some sense, but if so, it's because this technique is simply a reimagining of the "autosuggestion" technique found in EWLD.

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Look, sorry if I overreacted a little, and got it wrong. And I think you got something from SilverBullet wrong. I don't think that he intended to make us think that we don't have to do anything, you just shouldn't try, you should just DO it.As SilverBulet said himself, his new thread is much better, and covers this. Look, I respect your point of view, and I hope you do respect mine. I mean, we should be friendly to each other, we are trying to help each other, not to fight with each other. So I "officially":-) apologize my behavior, and say we become friends.:-) yeah!

Wish you lucid journeys!
Dicci0308

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Originally Posted by carwashguy

First off, I'm sorry if you guys feel like I'm attacking you. I have nothing against you, personally. I want to thank you for writing about your experiences for us to read about. You've clearly put a lot of time into this guide, and I think that's great. What I'm trying to do is offer a critique on techniques that are based on these very broad ideas such as "trusting yourself," "not trying," etc. (I labeled them "anti-techniques.") I think it's good to say "be confident in your ability and don't give up" when it's supplement to an actual technique. However, I believe it's very silly to say "DON'T TRY AT ALL." This appears to be where we disagree.

For example, you say in your first post:

So here, it's clear that you're advising people not to try to have lucid dreams, and then you go on to say this will help people succeed. This is what I mean when I say, "these anti-techniques lure people into developing bad habits." In other words, I believe "not trying, even a little" is a very bad habit, and you're luring people into doing just this by saying it will help. Of course, we disagree, but I don't see what's wrong with offering my point of view. Is it against the rules on this forum to offer my concerns if they conflict with the thread-maker's own opinion? If so, I'll shut up.


I apologize if I came off as rude. However, judging from your post, I think you may've got the wrong idea of why I was talking about purchasable items and such.

• First I say that things of value take effort.
• SilverBullet counters by saying that some things of value are free by offering examples.
• I counter-counter by saying that, in those examples, the things of values are purchasable items, and not skills. Because you can't purchase a skill, then it can't be given or found freely (as in SilverBullet's examples). Thus, lucid dreaming, a skill, can not be gained for free (unless you're a natural, of course).
• I never intended to make it seem like SilverBullet was selling something. I think you're mixing this up because of the puchasable item analogy.

Also, I think it's important for me to repeat something I said in my first post on this thread. It may very well be that this technique is useful in some sense, but if so, it's because this technique is simply a reimagining of the "autosuggestion" technique found in EWLD.

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Yeah, this is an old thread so, I don't mind if you disagree with me on this thread. Go to my other thread, I'll bump it.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f12/silver...eaming-117015/

Great videos. They give much inspiration. Now to get the ball rolling.
Thanks.