Thread: A Practical Recipe for Inducing LDs and OBEs

Thanks for taking your time to post this method. I've been looking for a better understanding on how I can achieve OBE. Btw when you're having a LD how do you switch to OBE and vice-versa?

Originally Posted by bigphil

Thanks for taking your time to post this method. I've been looking for a better understanding on how I can achieve OBE. Btw when you're having a LD how do you switch to OBE and vice-versa?

You are welcome. IMO, OBE is the same thing as a LD, except that you start out from your bed, with the surroundings being similar to what you think the reality is. However, in most cases, the surroundings are quite different from the reality. Some old schools like to tell you that you are experiencing parallel reality, but I beg to differ. Consider this: you are traveling and staying in your hotel room. You practice at night and have an OBE. Now which bed do you get up from? Shouldn't it be the one from the hotel? However, chances are you are still getting up from the bed at home, with your spouse sleeping next to you! Why is that? Simple, your subconscious mind hasn't adapted to the new environment yet, so it cannot produce the correct illusion for you! Why do the old schools swear by the parallel reality thing? I guess maybe they just don't travel often, LOL.

When we practice WILD, we often end up having an OBE. This is because there is very little gap between the states of being unconscious and conscious. The subconscious mind is very sneaky. It knows that you are probably aware of the fact that you never got out of the bed. Thus, the most logical thing to do in order to fool you is to create the illusion that you are still lying in your bed. That is, a false awakening. Yes, OBE is basically a false awakening.

Having said all that, let’s get back to your question. How do we turn a LD into an OBE? Again, the old schools will tell you to focus on your real body. However, if you do that it’s almost guaranteed that you will wake up for real. Let’s not do that. Instead, I suggest you do this – while in LD, close your eyes, and let yourself fall to the ground on your back. This will often produce the effect of a false awakening, which is, as I said earlier, essentially the same thing as an OBE.

Thanks for the explanation. So what you're saying is basically when I have a false awakening I'm having an OBE. Since my room would be an illusion wouldn't it mean that I'd still be dreaming whenever I start moving around?

Originally Posted by bigphil

Thanks for the explanation. So what you're saying is basically when I have a false awakening I'm having an OBE. Since my room would be an illusion wouldn't it mean that I'd still be dreaming whenever I start moving around?

Yes, the room is an illusion, just as in a lucid dream. This usually becomes more obvious if you step outside, as you will likely step into an all new environment. People who practice the old school methods do tend to see more realistic surroundings, and that's because their trainings have programmed their subconscious mind to do so -- you see what you believe during a trance. It’s also the case if you exercise visualizations a lot.

But if the room were an illusion, how will I transfer into reality since everything I'd be doing in the dream would be fake? I mean isn't OBE taken place in the normal realm and not in a dream?

Originally Posted by bigphil

But if the room were an illusion, how will I transfer into reality since everything I'd be doing in the dream would be fake? I mean isn't OBE taken place in the normal realm and not in a dream?

No one has been able to prove that OBE occurs in Normal realm yet. You may have very realistic OBE experience but in the end it's still just an illusion. Some claim you can enter different dimensions by adjusting the vibrations or the pitch of the noises you hear during the initial phase of an OBE. whether or not that works is still being debated. I will leave the truth for you to find out yourself!