External Influence

**Reagan** · 03-26-2012 02:12 AM

I'm trying a mostly natural approach to becoming consistently lucid but as with other members, I am having difficulties. I mean my last lucid happened a couple of weeks after I gave up on trying to get lucid again. You can imagine how frustrating that was.

Anyways, I was wondering if the use of a device like the REM dreamer or such can train you to become lucid without it. Can you guys fill me in?

P.S. Besides Stephen LaBarge, what other LD books do you guys recommend?

Thanks in advance.

**Indeed** · 03-26-2012 02:45 AM

Honestly, I don't think that one of those devices would help you very much in that area. They help you become lucid, sure, but they only teach you to do that when the external stimuli is applied. Not normally within the dream.

All you really gain toward you natural LDing skill is knowledge of how LDs "feel". That's just about it.

**fOrceez** · 03-28-2012 11:18 AM

Yeah, i absolutely agree with Indeed, down to how the natural LDing skill is attained. I do not like these devices that claim to give you lucids purely because part of the thing that makes lucid dreaming so great is you have to attain it yourself- if you had lucids nightly just because you purchased something, i wouldn't find that half as enjoyable.
Also, you most definitely should not give up just because you haven't had a lucid in a while - Give yourself a break, from 3 days to a couple of weeks where you don't worry about dreaming at all. Heck - give Dreamviews a break, if you'd like. When you come back, you should/will redouble your efforts at your technique (as you are going for a natural approach, i'm going to assume DILD). Question your reality whenever you remember it; a method i use is throughout the day "realise" i am dreaming. With consistent efforts, you will also get consistent lucid dreams. Seeing as this method involve your subconscious coming into the play of the repetition of your technique, it may take a while (it took me two months to have consistent lucid dreams with this method) but it is totally worth it.