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      Conquered External Influence of Sleep

      A'hoy hoy,

      Well I have finally done it; external influence of light and day no longer has influence on my sleep patterns. It took a while and various methods of conditioning, but I am no longer dependant on my enviroment, whatsoever, to help myself sleep.

      I can sleep at anytime, in any place, the only requirement is a comfortable position (of course). A lot of people cannot sleep during the day, or maybe the night (insomniacs, jet lag, etc.), or are at least awaken by certain lights or the sun entering their room.

      I now can only sleep for five hours at a time and I immediately wake up after five hours of sleep (which is just what I need). This means that my dreaming and sleep are entirely introverted! My sleep is entirely dependant on myself and controlled entirely by myself. I do not need an alarm clock to wake me up at a certain time, I just think of how many hours I will sleep; not a certain time, because that depends on the light of day, just the passing of time.

      Incredible.

      My methods for doing this first included figuring out how much sleep I need to have a good nights rest. For myself:

      4 hours = Groggy and cranky, any less and I am just exhausted
      5 hours = Just fine.
      6-8 hours = More energetic and can last longer hours
      9-10 hours = Lazy and tired
      11+ hours = Slow, lethargic, and occasional headaches

      (Longest time I slept during this experiment was 20 hours, shortest was 1/2 an hour)

      Once I figured this out for myself, I then forced myself to sleep only that amount of time whenever I went to bed, with the help of an alarm clock. Also, I made sure to just go to sleep whenever I am tired, not at a set time of day or time, just when I felt like sleeping. This, of course, had drastic reprocussions (going into work very exhausted, light headed, nearly fainting, very sleep deprived, migranes, etc.) but I endured it all and suck it up for the very beneficial rewards.

      Well now, that is it all simplified. This was my personal method of ultimately controlling my sleep. My biggest piece of advice is that to only try this while aware of the consequences during experimentation, and that it requires a lot of attention to the hours you sleep; the entirety is very dependant on the passing and attention to time (which I believe actually increases melatonin production..).

      Look forward to any feedback and I hope I have been enlightening.

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      It sounds like you worked really hard on this with a lot of dedication, how long exactly did it take you? I think that would work well with my meds, because I am supposed to have a regular sleep pattern because of my medication
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      It took me about two months of mixed sleeping trials.

      Maybe I should note that I did not keep any Dream Journal entries and it was harder to remember dreams, however, now I almost never forget them.

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      O'nus, that is absolutely incredible! So are you lucid the entire 5 hours?

      Why not sleep at least an hour more so you're in the "more energetic and can last for hours" category?

      Wow, I mean wow, I salute you.


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      Originally posted by Scwigglie
      O'nus, that is absolutely incredible! So are you lucid the entire 5 hours? *

      Why not sleep at least an hour more so you're in the \"more energetic and can last for hours\" category? *

      Wow, I mean wow, I salute you. *
      Well, if I sleep for only 5 hours, then it is easy to make the most of the day and I can regulate my sleep even easier. Also, if I want to have a WILD, I can do so by waking up at the fifth hour and then WILDing.

      Of course it is not possible to have en entire duration of REM sleep in the five hours of which I sleep (you do not REM sleep throughout the entire time of sleep), but when I do, if I want to be lucid, I am. Although, I personally like the vague and revealing nature of regular dreams.

      I like to loose myself in the mystery of my subconscious and let it whisper to me. But yeah, sometimes I do like to show it who's boss.

      Thank you.

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      Hmm, the fact that you sometimes prefer 'regular' dreams is strangely comforting, especially among all this LD hype.

      I should develop some sort of pattern myself.. I bet I sleep half my life away.


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      Originally posted by Scwigglie
      Hmm, the fact that you sometimes prefer 'regular' dreams is strangely comforting, especially among all this LD hype. * *

      I should develop some sort of pattern myself.. I bet I sleep half my life away.
      Exactly why I wanted to control my sleep; so I could make the most of my waking life and do the things I need to do, or want to do..

      I love sleeping and dreaming especially, but there are so many things in the waking life I want to do to and it feels as though this body of ours is a large obstacle keeping us from learning so much.

      I often wonder if we will someday come to a point when sleep is un-necessary and it would only be a hobby or entertainment (for the dreams, of course).

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      That is facinating. I wouldn't mind being able to do that myself.
      Have you always been able to be rejuvenated after five hours of sleep? I get grumpy if I don't get 9 .

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      Originally posted by O'nus


      Exactly why I wanted to control my sleep; so I could make the most of my waking life and do the things I need to do, or want to do..

      I love sleeping and dreaming especially, but there are so many things in the waking life I want to do to and it feels as though this body of ours is a large obstacle keeping us from learning so much. *

      I often wonder if we will someday come to a point when sleep is un-necessary and it would only be a hobby or entertainment (for the dreams, of course). *

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      Yeah that'd be interesting.. literally become independent of the forces of nature. But maybe we have dreams for a higher purpose, rather than just to rest and rejuvinate our bodies. I have so many philosophical thoughts on this that I'll just stop myself now before I start rambling.


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      Originally posted by Scwigglie+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Scwigglie)</div>
      Originally posted by O'nus@


      Exactly why I wanted to control my sleep; so I could make the most of my waking life and do the things I need to do, or want to do..

      I love sleeping and dreaming especially, but there are so many things in the waking life I want to do to and it feels as though this body of ours is a large obstacle keeping us from learning so much. *

      I often wonder if we will someday come to a point when sleep is un-necessary and it would only be a hobby or entertainment (for the dreams, of course). *

      ~
      Yeah that'd be interesting.. literally become independent of the forces of nature. But maybe we have dreams for a higher purpose, rather than just to rest and rejuvinate our bodies. I have so many philosophical thoughts on this that I'll just stop myself now before I start rambling. [/b]
      Noo, I love reading rambling, please do.

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      Have you always been able to be rejuvenated after five hours of sleep? I get grumpy if I don't get 9 .
      Yeah, basically always. Maybe not completely, and I may not always be in the best mood, lol, but five has always been generally just what I need.

      The most common required amount of sleep is 8 hours.

      I think I may have forced myself in the minority that require five

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      8) Okay. You asked for it.

      I think that maybe a dream's purpose is to communicate things to you that otherwise cannot be communicated in real life. And it might be just your subconscience talking to you, or it might be other forces..

      Have you ever read a book called 'The Alchemist' by Paulo Coehlo? It's a wonderful fable filled with more messages than 100 spiritual/philosophical books put together. Anyway, the main one is that every living person or creature is a part of "the heart of the world." It explains that everyone's soul is a part of God and things along that line (don't mean to get religious, sorry). And most people's lives are too linear or limited to leave the time or the desire to look beyond the confines of our physical world into something.. else.

      So in dreams, it's like your soul is speaking to you. A soul that once knew God and His master plan and the secrets of the universe.

      Man, that's a load of mumbo jumbo, and I think I could have phrased it much more eloquently, but it's getting kind of late. And besides, I'm 18. What do I know. lol


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      Originally posted by Scwigglie
      Man, that's a load of mumbo jumbo, and I think I could have phrased it much more eloquently, but it's getting kind of late. And besides, I'm 18. What do I know. lol
      I'm 20, do I know any better?

      I have believe in similar beliefs for a long time.. I had some research on it.. I will have to dig it up and post it.. in the mean time.. *Short, cliff-hanging, reply*

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      I'll eagerly await it!

      Okay. Off to bed. For once. lol

      It was great talking to ya!!


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      I am not sure if it would work the same or not but it seems like if you went to sleep at different times all the time and kept it random you could get pretty used to sleeping whenever you want. Maybe thats what you did though heh.

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      Originally posted by Alric
      I am not sure if it would work the same or not but it seems like if you went to sleep at different times all the time and kept it random you could get pretty used to sleeping whenever you want. Maybe thats what you did though heh.
      That's basically what I did; just went to bed whenever I was tired.

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      That is truely great that you are able to do that.

      I have always thought that you spend too much time sleeping. Often I try to force myself to go to bed at a set time to get up early for school even when I\'m not tired. (Many times it doesn\'t work)

      Setting your own sleeping pattern is a beautiful thing.

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      wow! really astounding!
      have you always been able to sleep at will, like when you are on a bus or when you lie down for awhile (before you began the experiment) Ive always thought that in a world where sleep was irralivant we would get so much more done, i know i have plenty of use for an extra 8 or so hours in my day.
      i really like the concept of controlling sleep, my main problem is that i find it hard to fall to sleep in any situation that is not my bed at night.
      also i have this weird habit of waking myself up 'rocking' in my sleep

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      Did you ever try sleeping in the delta stage? (bwgen) I heard that can really refresh you, but I'm not sure about dreaming in the delta stage.

      My thoughts on why we have dreams is that it helps your emotions in your waking life. I believe this because I remember a few dreams I've had that actually changed my attitude to something better about something the next day. (I don't feel like going into specifics, it's about 300 degrees in my house right now)

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      Originally posted by Scwigglie
      8) Okay. You asked for it.

      I think that maybe a dream's purpose is to communicate things to you that otherwise cannot be communicated in real life. And it might be just your subconscience talking to you, or it might be other forces..

      Have you ever read a book called 'The Alchemist' by Paulo Coehlo? It's a wonderful fable filled with more messages than 100 spiritual/philosophical books put together. Anyway, the main one is that every living person or creature is a part of \"the heart of the world.\" It explains that everyone's soul is a part of God and things along that line (don't mean to get religious, sorry). And most people's lives are too linear or limited to leave the time or the desire to look beyond the confines of our physical world into something.. else.

      So in dreams, it's like your soul is speaking to you. A soul that once knew God and His master plan and the secrets of the universe.

      Man, that's a load of mumbo jumbo, and I think I could have phrased it much more eloquently, but it's getting kind of late. And besides, I'm 18. What do I know. lol
      This sounded familiar to the foundings I came across about Deism. Deism is the doctrine which asserts that God exists only as an impersonal first cause of the universe, which then opreates solely in accorance with the laws of nature, conceived also as God-given. It thus repudiates all belief in miracles and divine revelation. Deism can claim England as its native land. In the struggle against feudalism, the revolutionary bourgeoisie of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries demanded freedom of thought and repudiated a whole series of ecclesiastical dogmas and ceremonies.

      Under conditions in which the feudal ecclesiastical world view held a ruling position, Deism often represented a veiled form of atheism, a convenient means of breaking away from religion, at least for the materialist. One of the first English Deists, Lord Herbert of Cherbury, held that superstition and preistcraft were responsible for Christianity and the other historical religions. ANother representative of Deims, Shaftesbury, argued that morality was independant of religion and that religion impelled people towards immoral behavior. AMong the eighteenth-centry representatives of Deism in France were Voltaire and Rousseau.

      In our time, Deism serves as a meek apology for religion.

      Although it does not exactly sound like what you said (as I think you are implying that God is manifested among us all, although he still exists) it reminded me of Deism.

      Hope I was enlightening.

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