SILD

**Slint** · 09-17-2005 07:09 PM

Here's a tech I came up with. It's not entirely new, but it should work rather well for any sleep cycle.

Here is how I came up with it:

It was 9 in the morning, and I started dreaming that I was listening to the radio. They were doing a feature where they were explaining the history of the band Gorillaz. All of the sudden, I found myself in a large snowy ice field (strikingly similar to Sidewinder from Halo) and I started walking around. A few seconds later, a song by Gorillaz, Feel Good Inc. started playing (don't know from where, seemed to just start coming from the sky). A few minutes later, i saw the members of Gorillaz drive past me in a car, and i woke up. The thing is, when I woke up, the video for Feel Good Inc. was playing on my TV (i left my TV on VH1, and they were playing music videos). So I figured the song must have entered my dream and made me think about it. So i thought, "What if I could initiate a LD with this?".

So here are the steps you should try:

1. Pick a song you like. Pick a song you like A LOT. One you listen to often and won't get sick of. Also, make sure you know the artist who does it, obviously. Whenever you hear this song in real life, do a reality check.

2. Set it to play while you are sleeping. This is the tricky part, for those of us who cannot fall asleep with music on. You could try getting a roommate, friend, or parent to play it in the early morining, and leave it on loop. If you can fall asleep with music on, do so with it looped. Make sure it's loud enough to make you know it's there, but not too loud in order to wake you up when it comes on. If neither of those applies to you, just add many long tracks of scilence to play on your computer or sterio, then make the song loop. I will personally help anyone who needs it with this, just PM me.

3. Do a mantra that will remind you to RC when you hear the song. Something along the lines of "When I hear ____(the song name) I will do a relality check."

4. Go to sleep.

Of course, you don't have to use songs, you can record youself saying "This is a lucid dream, do a reality check" or something. But there are already programs to do this.

Since I haven't fully tried this yet, this tech is still in testing. Post here if it gets you any results, and good luck with it!

(Sorry for the length of this post)

**imj** · 09-24-2005 10:14 AM

Cool! The song does enter the dream if played at the correct volume as I've tried it before but I've never tied it to a reality check till I saw this post. Thanks.

**Jade010** · 09-25-2005 05:50 PM

Hello,

To get the music to play long after you fall asleep.....try this.

If you have an Ipod, create a Playlist of silence, and at the end of that playlist, put the song over and over again.

I use this method often and have light (kb) silent files if you need them.

Here's how one of my playlists is set up:

1 - 10 minute Silent Track
2 - 10 minute Silent Track
3 - 10 minute Silent Track
4 - 10 minute Silent Track
5 - 10 minute Silent Track
6 - 10 minute Silent Track
7 - The SOUND or SONG I want
8 - The SOUND or SONG I want (again)
9 - The SOUND or SONG I want (again)
10 - The SOUND or SONG I want (again)
11 - The SOUND or SONG I want (again)
12 - The SOUND or SONG I want (again)

I assume you're able to create Playlists on most other Mp3 players.

~Deja

**SweetMelancholy** · 09-25-2005 10:17 PM

Dah...i know such techniques.

For some people seem to work, but for me there are some problems:

1) I have problem sleeping with headphones. I sleep at my side, so anytime I wear headphones, they hurt my ear.

2) If I wear the other headphones ( the 2 small ones): they have the tendency to fall off my ears! Maybe, its my ear structure...And again when i sleep at my side, they hurt me.

So I wont give a try anyway

**Dreamers dont kill** · 09-26-2005 01:18 AM

whenever i fall asleep to music i just put it on my stereo and put my speakers by my bed and play it at the volume i like..

try that cuz i cant sleep with headphones either.

**Dangeruss** · 09-26-2005 02:36 AM

What my friends and I have been doing for a while is actually putting on BAD music. You know, the kind of music you hear and your reaction is always "holy crap i need turn this OFF!!" See, the correct reaction is already programmed - just play really awful music after you're asleep at a volume that will enter the dream but not wake you up. When you hear the music, your reaction is "Whoa, let's turn this off!" and then when you try to turn it off you realize you can't, and that should trigger lucidity.

**Clairity** · 09-26-2005 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Dangeruss
When you hear the music, your reaction is \"Whoa, let's turn this off!\" and then when you try to turn it off you realize you can't, and that should trigger lucidity.

This is actually pretty clever.. did it work for you and your friends?

**Dangeruss** · 09-26-2005 03:26 AM

It works, but it's hard to time it (for me) since my computer isn't in my bedroom. My other friends have done it more and they say it works great.

**DREAM_WEAVER** · 10-12-2005 01:36 AM

wouldnt you have to time it to play during your REM cycle for it to work though?

**Tsen** · 10-12-2005 03:03 AM

Yeah, you'd have to have the music on during an REM phase, but luckily you aren't limited to one shot at hitting it. If you have the music start playing an hour or so after you go to sleep, and keep it playing for a half hour or longer, you should blanket an REM cycle or two. You don't need a computer or mp3 player, either. Use iTunes (free download) to make a playlist of one hour of silence and a half hour or so of the music or sound, and then burn it to an audio CD. You're limited to 80 minutes, though, so keep that in mind, but this kind of CD would work in a standard CD player. It'd be much easier to carry one of those into the room than a computer.

**Jade010** · 10-12-2005 03:52 AM

Hello,

These are Silent Mp3 Tracks for Playlists - when you need an hour or more of quiet prior to a Tone or Song.

Clickable Link:
4 Minutes of Silence - Download

Clickable Link:
2 Minutes of Silence - Download

Deja

**DREAM_WEAVER** · 10-13-2005 01:41 AM

how do u download it

**Jade010** · 10-13-2005 03:42 AM

Originally posted by DREAM_WEAVER
how do u download it

Click the link, wait a few seconds, and a box will pop up with options. The option you should choose is SAVE.

Deja

**Beef Jerky** · 10-15-2005 03:26 AM

Hey for the 6 X 10 minute silence then the song played another 6 times, can this work for a person whose absoloutly brand new at Lucid Dreaming?

**Tsen** · 10-15-2005 05:29 AM

It could, but it would be better if you practiced more basic methods first. SILD requires that you're proficient at Reality Checking to succeed (RC when you hear the sound/music), so it'd be best to practice RCing every hour or two during the day +whenever you hear the song. Other than that, it should work for n00bs.

**Jade010** · 10-15-2005 07:51 AM

Originally posted by idontknow
Hey for the 6 X 10 minute silence then the song played another 6 times, can this work for a person whose absoloutly brand new at Lucid Dreaming?

Yes, of course it can work for someone "brand new" to LD. There are many people who experience LD without ever knowing the term for it, much less a method to induce it.

I do, however, agree with the pp. Keep practicing a particular method and try to be consistent with it. I recommend WILD for newbies - but gravitate to what feels most comfortable to you.

As for the tracks.....

If you want to interrupt REM, load the playlist with silence for the first 60 to 90 minutes and then add the tones, songs, alarms, or voice affirmation tracks from that point forward.

If you want to use a free program instead of customizing a playlist, here's an alternative:

http://www.saltcube.com/timer.html

Deja

**iadr** · 10-15-2005 12:04 PM

What would be really cool is if someone could create a nice upbeat song on Lucid Dreaming that would be pleasant to listen to, and that a person could get into their mind during the day, during which time they could do reality checks while listening to, as the song could tell them to Do a reality check now. The song could have several positive affirmations in it like "I become aware and lucid in my dreams and realize I am dreaming", "I have control of my dreams", "Life is good as I remember to do reality checks and become the captain of my ship", "Do a reality check now". Drum rolls, etc. I wish I was more musically inclined. I'd make the song myself. Maybe someone out there could develop something like this. This could be a chance for someone to become a hero of the lucid dreaming world. By the way Slint, I really like your idea.

**Jade010** · 10-15-2005 01:02 PM

Iadr,

How about taking an instrumental song and overlaying it with a recording of your voice - saying positive affirmations?

All you would need is a sound editing program (such as MixCraft), the instrumental track, and a mic (even the mic on your pc headset).

I agree. It would be nice if someone could compose a melody of vocal affirmations, but until then....?

Smiles,
Deja

**iadr** · 10-15-2005 03:43 PM

Great idea DejaSoul,

I've been trying to think of a snappy tune, something that would stick in my head and become like a mantra that I could hum or whistle as I go thru the day, and then add some lucid affirmations to it.

Composing the piece would be no problem because I mix tunes all the time using Goldwave and Multisequence, and have made several subliminals that I listen to while at work. I just need to find the right tune that some good dream affirmations will go along with.

**Jade010** · 10-16-2005 01:22 AM

Iadr,

Just curious....do you like meditation instrumentals, or would you cut something with an instrumental rock track? I actually did one with Creep by Radiohead - a couple others with Staind - all instrumentals though.

Deja

**iadr** · 10-16-2005 04:43 PM

Hi Deja,
I use mostly music that is created for relaxation like nature sounds when creating sound tracks to listen to since I listen to them mostly at night while sleeping. I then either record affirmations to a cd using my Karoke player with my own voice, which I then transfer to an MP3 file, or else I use a text-to-speech program to record the affirmations in a female voice directly to an MP3 file. Not sure which way is most effective, as I tend to sleep through both version no matter how loud I make the suggetions, at least that's been the case lately. That's why I was thinking about experimenting with this SILD method thinking that maybe if I put the suggestions to a song it would be more effective than just listening to the suggestions in a normal manner, although they aren't really that normal because I add echoes, and other effects to try to get the suggestions to get through to me while I am sleeping, which only happens occasionally, as I tend to sleep through everything. I even turned my computer monitor into a strobe light to go off after I have been asleep for a couple of hours using the Brainwave generator program, but I even sleep through that sometimes.

I think that something like the moon cycles must affect my dream world because sometimes I can remember 10 dreams a night and have really vivid dreams that I can even become aware in, while other times I just sleep right through everything and am lucky if I can remember 3 or 4 dreams.

That would probably be a good thing to ask in another post to see if anyone else has noticed these kind of flucuations during the month. As the type of sound tracks I seem to have had the most success with are those in which I add the suggestions to in a way that they are just barely audible, something like a subliminal, I may try using the SILD method and overlay a certain song with suggestions this way to see if that works.

**iadr** · 10-19-2005 01:02 AM

I'm starting to get some ideas on how to implement your SILD method Slint. Although I have been unable to come up with a song to use at this time I have found several wav files that I think may even be more effective than a song. There are several wav files of cartoons like a looneytoon wave file, (the warner brothers theme song), that I think might work real well, as it mght help in remembering you are dreaming if suddenly you find yourself listening to a cartoon theme song. As this could get a little old listening to during the day though I finally decided upon the Monday Night Football theme song (mnf.wav), as this is more pleasant to listen to during the day. In order to be able to get to sleep, and have it not interfere with my dream recall if I wake up, I plan to have it come on after about 60 minutes, and run for about 5 minutes every 15 minutes. If that doesn't work, then I might try the looneytunes wav file. During the day I've been just turning it on about every 20 or 30 minutes and then doing reality checks while I listen to it. If nothing else, it has made doing reality checks a lot more fun. Thanks for the suggesion

**Slint** · 10-20-2005 10:18 PM

Yeah, improve on it in any way you want, that's what it's there for. It's a tech that is pretty much going to work differently for everyone and you will probably have to adjust accordingly. With that being said, I really don't like this tech, I thought it might help someone out.

**iadr** · 10-21-2005 12:45 AM

Originally posted by Slint
I really don't like this tech, I thought it might help someone out.

Although I really like this technique and think it could be very effective, the sound I recorded was interfering with the other lucid dreaming mp3 I was listening to, which has started working, so I stopped using this technique. I did learn something very beneficial from this though. I set up the wav file I was using (mnf.wav) as an autorun on my computer at work to have it play every 15 minutes to remind me to do an awareness check. So I've been doing many more awareness checks than usual, and really enjoying doing them since I like that tune. Thanks again for sharing your idea Slint.

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