Technique that does not require sleeping all day long?

**Roseburg** · 07-22-2014 07:14 PM

I usually use the WILD technique which requires I get at least 8hrs and then try in the morning. Today I did this and went back to sleep at 8, I had fitful sleep until 11. Right at 11, I tried one more time. When I WILD, I visualize the floor of my next dream and from there if I am lucky my mind builds the rest of the scene and I can step into it fully lucid at the beginning. I was able to do this and look for an elevator(Task of the month)- at which point my family was making too much noise to continue (frustrating!!!) While I am happy I have found a technique that kind of works- I am not happy with losing entire half days to sleeping, it isn't healthy and rightly concerns my husband. Does anyone have any kind of alternative? Something that requires less sleep? Anyone else plagued by this problem?

**RandomHaxor** · 07-22-2014 08:37 PM

When I try WILD, I do it after 4 1/2 hours of sleep, e.g. go to sleep at 11:30 PM, wake up at 4:00 AM. I've never heard of a technique requiring 8hrs of prior sleep.

**Wolfdog** · 07-22-2014 09:25 PM

The methods used to induce lucidity in dreams are based on our sleep cycles, specifically on our REM periods. REM sleep is where we usually or normally spend our time dreaming, though one can also dream in NREM sleep as well. REM sleep occurs normally around 90 minutes after one goes to sleep. The cycles or periods of REM sleep are short in length and far apart between each other at the start of the night. However, as we continue sleeping, the periods grow larger in time and each one is closer to the other as well, with the largest periods taking place in the mornings. So, you see, it's not that the method requires for you to sleep 8 hours a day for it to work. It's just usually recommended to practice in the mornings as our REM periods are far closer to each other and last longer, thus boosting our chances for inducing a lucid dream. If you're finding it hard to WILD in the mornings though, then you can organize your practice around the REM periods situated in the middle of the night, before the actual morning takes place.

Hope this helps.

**OneUp** · 07-23-2014 01:13 AM

Try waking up after 5-6 hours of sleep. If you want to REALLY quicken up the process of your WILDS, switch to doing DEILD, it requires a lot less preparation than WILDS and only requires you to wake up motionless from a dream and then go back in. To me its like a shortened WILD. good luck Roseburg, I know you can do it!

**Sageous** · 07-23-2014 02:49 AM

First, Roseburg, listen to what the folks above have to say, because they are all spot on. But next, ask yourself why you are doing WBTB after a full night's sleep.

Though it doesn't hurt to try to LD after 8 or more hours of sleep, and the results can be most beneficial if you manage it, it is not required. Four or five hours is usually plenty to reliably "catch" a REM period after WBTB. There is no need to wait until your normal sleep cycle has ended. If someone has told you otherwise, they are either mistaken or they feel you need more sleep!

**Roseburg** · 07-23-2014 08:26 AM

Hearing this is wonderful news! I am going to try it in the night rather than try to do it in the morning. No one told me to get 8 hrs- I just noticed that I almost naturally became aware if I had gotten enough sleep. But I can learn this, it seems to be a popular method. Thank you so much for your answers!