Thread: Best LDing technique with a white blood cell deficiency

Hello everyone,

I have a white blood cell deficiency, I could go into a long boring explanation as to what extent I have it and what causes it, etc. Long story short, it makes me sleep deeper/harder.
I rarely wake up at all in the night.

So my question is that I would like to know if there is a more successful LDing technique for people who sleep harder, over just doing normal MILD. (Which is what I'm currently working on).

Thanks for your time

How does this affect your dreaming?

Also you still wake up in the mornings right? With an alarm I'm assuming? Sleeping deeper might just make your LDs more stable, I don't see a downside to this. =]

Originally Posted by Memm

How does this affect your dreaming?

Also you still wake up in the mornings right? With an alarm I'm assuming? Sleeping deeper might just make your LDs more stable, I don't see a downside to this. =]

I'm not an expert on white blood cell deficiency issues, but I assume what the OP means is that his body requires a higher degree of N-REM sleep, which is largerly responsible for some of the functions related to "physical" rest. We all experience this to some degree when we're sick or more tired than usual, but people like OP have a weaker imune system, which among other things, takes his toll on his physical endurance/energy use (correct me if I'm wrong AspiringDreamer).

In response to OP:

There isn't much you can do regarding your situation, as in some sense it resembles the age aspect in dreaming (the older you are, the less REM you tend to experience per night, meaning less time dreaming). But apart from this conditioning an approach to WILD (I'd advice against, loosing sleep is not really adviced in your particular case), you can still lucid dream with huge success.

Focus on DILD techniques (that rely on you becoming lucid within the dream) and you have as much chances of getting lucid as anyone else. MILD is a good way to achieve your purpose, so I see no reason not to keep practicing it. Good luck

Originally Posted by Zoth

(the older you are, the less REM you tend to experience per night, meaning less time dreaming). But apart from this conditioning an approach to WILD (I'd advice against, loosing sleep is not really adviced in your particular case), you can still lucid dream with huge success.

I sort of wonder where people get this from, are there actual confirmed and peer reviewed statistics? It's doubtful since dreams still haven't really been studied that much. I'm in my 20s but I haven't experienced a REM decline as far as I can tell, in fact the more I LD the more my nights seem to be filled with dreams. Perhaps it's something you can increase if you use it?

There's also the possibility of things like exercise and mental health having more of an effect, so perhaps it's not old age itself (if true) but just people being less active mentally and / or physically. If you choose to do so you can very well stay active till the day you die.

Point is let's not throw notions like that around, it's not very helpful especially to the older forum readers who might end up seeing it as an excuse to not bother LDing, especially if it might not even be true.

We all dream, we can dream during naps, we can dream during the night, we can enter dreams through meditation. It's not a simple subject and there's no reason why sleeping longer and / or deeper doesn't give the possibility of increasing dream time.

* Moved to Attaining Lucidity

I agree you will be spending more time in sleep stages 3 and 4 also known as deep sleep where the body is believed to carry out most of it's physical repair work. As opposed to people that are depressed spend a significantly longer percentage in REM due to worrying increasing there emotional arousal and in turn getting a weakening of their immune system.
I have heard that waking up in REM for around 5 minutes can dramatically increased REM, but I think you will be needing the precious Non-REM so make sure you get enough, also sleeping longer.. you could give that a shot. It's true in a way as we age we experience less REM sleep, as a fetus is around 80% drops to 67% at birth then around 25% at childhood that carry's on around the same and until old age then starts to decline further.
Up to you but personally would stick to MILD, play with "Naiya's MILD Technique" it's a great one

Originally Posted by AspiringDreamer

Hello everyone,

I have a white blood cell deficiency, I could go into a long boring explanation as to what extent I have it and what causes it, etc. Long story short, it makes me sleep deeper/harder.
I rarely wake up at all in the night.

So my question is that I would like to know if there is a more successful LDing technique for people who sleep harder, over just doing normal MILD. (Which is what I'm currently working on).

Thanks for your time

Set an alarm for a couple of hours before your normal wakeup time, and do a nice long WBTB. During this time, do whatever you need to do to keep awake for a good hour, and spend this time reading your dream journal or doing MILD or whatever else helps you focus on lucid dreaming. You might even consider drinking some caffeine if you're still sleeping too deeply.