Help me get past this mental block!

**Avalanche** · 05-01-2011 01:51 PM

I have been keeping a dream journal for the past month, from the 5th of April to last night, the 30th-1st May. Every night has had at least one dream, save two nights, which just didn't have any. Most nights have at least 3 dreams, sometimes 5.

I'm not sure what technique I use, but this is what I do each night:

I go to bed around 11, sometimes 10. I usually stay awake past 12, maybe even to 1 in the morning. I always just lay there, relaxing my body, not moving at all. Ignoring itches, twitches, and the urge to turn over.
I achieved S.P. (Intense tingling in my entire body, a rushing sound in my ears, lasts maybe 4-5 seconds) 3 times so far, 2 in one night, and the other a few nights ago, all after going to sleep for a few hours, without dreaming.

....but thats it. Nothing happens afterwards. I get S.P., which is the furthest I have gotten, and then I just can't get it again, nor fall asleep. I eventually do, but without knowing it, and then I dream. When I dream, its either watching over an event without a body, or I don't think of doing an R.C.

I don't do R.C.s in real life, as I tried it for a week once, but nothing came of it at all.

My question: What should I do next? What should I change, start doing?

Thanks for reading it all, hope it wasn't a wall of text for you!

**A_Citrus** · 05-01-2011 02:24 PM

If you still want to go for the WILD technique, I would suggest keep at it, and when you go into SP, be confident that you will have a lucid dream. Feelings like excitement, anxiety, etc, can cause you to lose SP. Rather than getting excited when you get close, you should try to be confident that it will work in the first place.

If none of this information applies because you don't get excited, I would suggest going down the All-Day Awareness route (ADA). As you build up your awareness in real life, that will start to carry over to your dreams. I would suggest doing RCs again in real life, as sometimes you need to RC in a DILD to confirm that you're dreaming, even if ADA pays off. KingYoshi did a good tutorial on ADA but I can't seem to find it right now. If anyone else could link it, that'd be great.

ShockWave.

**Purebred** · 05-01-2011 02:28 PM

Wait, wait, wait. Are you doing WBTB?

**Avalanche** · 05-01-2011 02:30 PM

Yes, when I eventually enter S.P., I don't get excited per say, more that my heart starts beating very hard and faster. The first time it happened I was scared about the hallucinations that I heard about, so I pretty much shut it off straight away. The second time I had more balls, but nothing came of it. The third time I just felt it coming, and knew what to expect.

I guess if I could get it again, I could be more relaxed, and possibly enter a dream that way.

My question now is how do I actually enter a dream from S.P? Whenever I get an S.P., it just wears off, nothing happens. What do I do?

**Avalanche** · 05-01-2011 02:33 PM

Yes, sorta. I do set my alarm to go off before my known REM cycle (found it by accident one night), and I do sit up in bed, look at the clock, check my phone, then lay back down.

**Purebred** · 05-01-2011 02:55 PM

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**Avalanche** · 05-01-2011 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Purebred

Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) and download free e-book. All your questions will be answered.

I don't know what this is or how it can help me.

I obviously tried the link, but I can't order or download any e-books.

**Purebred** · 05-01-2011 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Origami

I don't know what this is or how it can help me.

I obviously tried the link, but I can't order or download any e-books.

Free ebooks on Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) and press download full new version for free. It's free.

**Avalanche** · 05-01-2011 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Purebred

Free ebooks on Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) and press download full new version for free. It's free.

I appreciate the link and the trouble you went to, but this book is long, and, well it's a whole book.

I'm just looking for some tips or advice on what I should do/try next.

**Purebred** · 05-01-2011 06:32 PM

first 50 pages are enough. it will take only 30 minutes. Try it. ;D

**Marm** · 05-01-2011 06:41 PM

Errm.. just remember that motivation and effort are the 2 most important prequisites for lucid dreaming.
I've always had a natural affinity for lucid dreams and I have had them for as long as I can remember now; back when I was a little kid I didn't even refer to them as lucid dreams.. just dreams where I can do whatever the hell I wanted. Thats why I can't really guide you as I never really used a method; however, im sure that some of the very capable lucid dreamers here on DV will give you great advice! PM some of them if you want (but don't spam the hell outta them cos they'll get pissed

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Good luck!

**Avalanche** · 05-02-2011 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by Purebred

Free ebooks on Out-of-Body Experience (OBE) and press download full new version for free. It's free.

Downloaded. Hopefully it will work, though I'm sure it's worth my time to at least try it. Thanks.

**Avalanche** · 05-02-2011 12:43 PM

Also, Purebred, I assume you have had some experience with OBE's then? Can you tell me what it's like, any tips you have?

**Purebred** · 05-02-2011 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Origami

Also, Purebred, I assume you have had some experience with OBE's then? Can you tell me what it's like, any tips you have?

OBE/LD/AP are all the same. Noone can prove it its not. Sometimes you enter your dream via seperating from your body. Author of the book calls it "Phase" (don't ask me why). And answer to your question is yes, because of his help I managed to do few successfull OBEs (and it is just a beginning). It feels the same as Lucid Dream does, maybe a little more vivid and less deepening must be done.

**Ancient** · 05-02-2011 02:39 PM

DO NOT try to WILD at night. Your body and mind are chemically geared for resting and healing. Set your alarm for 5-6 hours after you fall asleep, when your body has rested itself and your REM cycles are significantly longer than any other time during sleep. Use the WBTB method - get up and out of bed and go read, meditate, or something that will wake your mind up a bit and get you focused on lucid dreaming. Then go back to bed and try WILD'ing. I guarantee that your success rate will shoot up doing this. Use your time going to bed at night for sleeping. It is not a fruitful time for dreams.

**bust113** · 05-02-2011 02:52 PM

It appears you are attempting the WILD technique.

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/yoshis...chnique-82529/

Your problem is "all after going to sleep for a few hours, without dreaming.", for this technique to work you need to have been in a REM stage (that's when you dream) in the last few hours. I recommend waking up a little later in the night to do this, about 5 hours of sleep.

**Avalanche** · 05-02-2011 02:57 PM

I think WBTB and WILDing have failed me. At the beginning it seemed to work to some degree, but with increasing numbers of failures and a waining belief in them working has, I think, prevented them from working for me.

I'm going to try OBE's now, as I think happened 2 nights ago wasn't actually S.P., but was an OBE taking shape. I was lying in bed, on my back, trying for a WILD, as usual. I then felt like an S.P. was coming on, and I tried to relax and slow my heart from beating faster. I felt like I was being pulled at the waist up, and being rolled over, and flipped out of bed.
This sounds exactly like the rolling out method. I was so close to a possible OBE, but frustratingly, it just didn't happen.

**Avalanche** · 05-02-2011 03:35 PM

This is all too much to take in.. I can't decide on what I should try out first, or what I should be doing first.

Can you summarize what I should be doing? I already have a dream journal with over 3 weeks in it, and I have an alarm on my phone. I need to get up for school at 8, and I usually go to bed at 11, falling asleep as late as 1.

What should I try out from this e-book?

**faceonmars** · 05-03-2011 02:19 AM

Originally Posted by Origami

My question: What should I do next? What should I change, start doing?
Thanks for reading it all, hope it wasn't a wall of text for you!

Wow, this thread is all over the place. I think most people who are attempting to force a lucid dream are trying too hard. Doing RC's during the hours leading up to sleep help. Deep breathing and relaxation techniques help. Visualizing a relaxing scenario helps. It will come when it comes. Good luck to you!

**Avalanche** · 05-03-2011 05:45 PM

ARGH! I can't make it happen you say? That's the worst news ever. I have to wait for it and keep trying? Dammit!

I tried a little bit of OBE inductions while taking a nap just now. I laid completely still on my side, and tried to detach myself from my body, tried the Phantom wiggling and trying to see things under my eyelids. All that happened was I grew a bit numb and almost got a S.P., or something that felt like that.

I will try again in the early hours of tommorrow morning. This morning, I woke up, stretched, then remembered I shouldn't move. Oh well, there is always tommorrow, I think I can do it. And I also feel quite near to waking up in a dream, so finger crossed for that.

**Marm** · 05-03-2011 05:49 PM

Try Stephen Laberge's MILD technique. If you truly tune yourself into that stuff you'll be lucid dreaming very soon.
It is also worth your while to RC a few things during waking hours.

**Avalanche** · 05-03-2011 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by ThePieMan

Try Stephen Laberge's MILD technique. If you truly tune yourself into that stuff you'll be lucid dreaming very soon.
It is also worth your while to RC a few things during waking hours.

MILD eh? I have heard of it, but I never looked into it. I just picked WILD and WBTB first and that seemed to nearly work, for a while.

Okay.. so OBE techniques, or MILD... great. Which one to chose?