Instant Lucid with no sleep

[Nugget75]

Before bed last night I had read the topic on this board about imagning yourself in a dream to attain lucidity while falling asleep. Many times when I am falling asleep anyways I day dream my way to sleep. This time was extremely odd because as I was day dreaming (about snowboarding) I kept getting this odd feeling all over my body and the day dream became more vivid. I was then aware of my body again, only I was almost sure that I had entered a dream. I did a RC and indeed I was laying in my bed in a dream. Several times throughout my dream, the dream began to fade and I would "reset" back into my bed as though I had woken up except it was still a dream. Eventually I woke up for real, and it was only 11:00 pm, and I had gone to sleep at 10:30. How did I enter a dream so quickly with no prior sleep? I tried to do it again when going back to sleep, and got VERY close. After day dreaming a little bit (just about random things and odd scenery) I became aware of my dream body again. But it would always slip away again before I could take control of it. Perhaps this may work in the future, but I think it might have just been an odd occurence that lucidity came so easily without any real induction technique.

[dream yogi]

yes, it is like stepping into a dream. while many people first lose consciousness while their bodies fall asleep, and then they later wake up within their dream, consciousness can be maintained while putting the body to sleep. so you can create a vision and then sort of step into it, instead of waking into it, as into a dream already in progress. or you can simply put your body to sleep and then create the dream from there, both without any blackout period (of your consciousness) from when your body is awake until your dream begins.

[Pokle]

Fantastic to hear such a remarkable thing! I wonder if it is a method which will come easily to you? Nice that it happens so quick too

[Placebo]

This happens to me frequently when I have a polyphasic nap. It starts as a daydream and ends as a lucid dream. The annoying part is deciding when the dream started

[TravisE]

I recently almost did this a couple of times myself, but never quite reached the dream state. I'm guessing that when I suddenly become aware that my daydream is starting to become unusually real, it brings too much of my consciouness back and I lose it. I'm going to have to experiment with this some more.

[Suspiro]

dang! i had to practise alot....but yeah... at first they were harder for me to take control of, but i do like having LD's without sleeping for a while beforehand.

[CalmoftheEye]

This sounds like a great new technique, unless it's been done before. It's new to me anyway. My mind tends to wander A LOT at night, so day dreaming into a dream would be awesome.

[Nugget75]

I tried this again the past couple of nights and here's what I've come up with so far: The first time I acheived lucidity by doing it I wasn't even trying to. (probably why it worked) In fact, I wasn't even really very tired, I just had decided to have a nice long day dream to get me to sleep. What I noticed was that after a while a lot of the scenes that were popping up were not conciously controlled by me. The thing to notice while daydreaming is that when you get closer to sleep, your daydream will change course and you won't even realize it. I've noticed this many times before, and I'll realize that I have almost no idea what I've been daydreaming about. It starts to "behave" like a regular dream, where odd things happen and scenery changes unwillingly. When I tried it again the last two nights, I started to get some results. The hard part was that it was hard to keep concentration on the daydream, without letting my mind take over. Once you lose control of you daydream you either fall asleep and enter a normal dream or just fall asleep. Often times I can recall a dream about whatever I was daydreaming about while going to sleep. The last few nights I started to get weird sensations all over my body, and I think I lost feeling at one point. Both times I lost control of the daydream or just fell asleep. I am going to try this for the next few nights while going to sleep, as well as setting an alarm and try it in the middle of the night to compare results. I'll try to write a tutorial if I have any more success.

[korea lax]

This happens to me also, one time I was laying there daydreaming and all of a sudden a faint image of japan flashed through my mind, I could visualize people and the cars and buildings but when I said to myself "hey im dreaming" it all faded away just to come back again moments later. It was like I was jumping out of my dreams as soon as I tried to take control.

[TravisE]

That's exactly what I've noticed. The funny thing is I never noticed this in my life until last month when I first discovered DreamViews. If I daydream as I'm about to fall asleep, things will start to appear without my conscious intervention, and it will often take a few seconds for me to realize it. It also seems that relaxation techniques like counting my breaths often brings about this state fairly quickly.

[trekflatland44]

I too enter this state, almost on a nightly basis, but i find my self just laying in bed awake, because as soon as i start to realize im drifting into a dream, and am still aware of my self, i get anxious and my mind takes over, causing me to awaken... i think the trick is just finding out how to stay relaxed and let the daydream go on... this is hard for me.

[Placebo]

Yep, that does seem to be the trick. Staying conscious, but not thinking of your surroundings, problems or inhibitions. And not thinking about something takes some skill. Telling yourself not to think about something means you thought of it

[Manifold_Time]

Originally posted by Placebo Yep, that does seem to be the trick. Staying conscious, but not thinking of your surroundings, problems or inhibitions. And not thinking about something takes some skill. Telling yourself not to think about something means you thought of it You're going to have to concentrate on something else if you don't want to concentrate on whatever you're not trying to concentrate on. Think of your feet right now... now try to not think of it... Any success??? Probably not, unless you got the idea from what I just said about concentrating on something else. Concentrate on your feet, but then concentrate on your nose... All of your awareness of your feet has left (well, since I just said that all your awareness left your feet, it came back when you read that ). So you'll have to find something you can concentrate on, without it waking you up or without making you fall asleep. I thought about writing on a piece of paper something like "You will have a Lucid Dream. Are you dreaming yet?" And folding it a few times to make it fit in your palm. And everything you felt it in your hand, you would think about those things.

[Placebo]

Exactly

[DuckMan_Drake]

My good sir, CalmoftheEye, I believe that I am in the same predicament. I always considered daydreaming as a form of losing conciousness, because I usually fall asleep when that happens to me. I keep telling myself, "Don't wander, you'll lose conciousness." So, are you guys telling me that If I keep dreaming about one thing, I can possibly phase into a Lucid Dream with little sleep? I shall experiment this for the next few nights... I'll post my findings in my DJ, and upon this topic.

[Rape of Faith]

Originally posted by Placebo Yep, that does seem to be the trick. Staying conscious, but not thinking of your surroundings, problems or inhibitions. And not thinking about something takes some skill. Telling yourself not to think about something means you thought of it Kind've like when you start to focus on your breathing, and you can't stop. Then out of nowhere you notice you stopped concentrating on your breathing... but you just realized that so you must continue to focus on yourself breathing. Lol..

[Nugget75]

I haven't tried this that often, because a few nights I have just been too tired and wanted to just fall asleep. However, almost everynight I've daydreamed about something, I've gotten to the point where my entire body goes numb, like I have no body at all. I haven't been able to cross into a dream again yet, but I hope to soon. The thing to keep in mind is not to remind yourself that you're trying to get into a dream. In fact, a few nights, when you're not too tired try to forget about lucid dreaming and go on a daydream adventure on your way to sleep.

[luciddawg]

i wonder since daydreaming seems to be so many peoples method of falling asleep and focusing on your breathing seems to be the method to stay conscious, if you can kind of combine the two and focus on your breathing while letting your mind wander. that way you are not staying awake for two hours just trying to complete the process.

[Nugget75]

Yesterday I was daydreaming my way to sleep, and I completely forgot I was daydreaming for some reason, except i hadn't QUITE crossed over into an actual dream yet. I realized sometime was weird and thought to myself, "hey I should do I reality check," then I realized that I couldn't because I was daydreaming. Then I became aware of wakeness again. Just about as close as it gets.

[Goldsplinter]

How do we tap the fingers? Lay Back and then start tapping? Was very uncomfortable doing the tapping thing cuz I was sleeping on stomach!

[Nugget75]

I think you were referring to HILD, so you may have posted in the wrong topic. Ok I thought I'd post an update since I became lucid breifly last night from this method. Same thing happened as in my earlier post, I lost the awareness that I was daydreaming, and thought I was really dreaming. From there the dream became more vivid and somewhere I crossed into an actual dream. It went on for a while as I remember, and then I was talking with someone about lucid dreaming and performed a reality check and it failed. I don't know if this is because of the daydreaming or not, because It is different then the way it had worked before, but I have never become lucid because of a RC in the past, so I think the method caused the dream about lucid dreaming. I'm starting to like this because Its easy and fun to do and seems to bring good results.

[luciddawg]

So to do this you daydream where you want to dream about but dont let your mind wander?

[TravisE]

Okay, here's what's happened to me recently. I've successfully done this twice. As I said, as I get close to falling asleep, my mind tends to wander, and I usually don't notice it until I become aware again instead of losing consciousness. Things are still happening in my mind, although I for some reason tend to react (mentally, not physically) as if it were really happening (or I react as if it were a non-lucid dream, in other words). Sometimes in the late mornings, instead of completely losing consciousness at this stage, I will suddenly become aware again just as my body begins to fall asleep. I will either fill numbness everywhere, or I will hear a sort of rumbling noise in my ears (similar to the sound that occurs when yawning or stretching), or both. It's hard for me to stay in that state, and I think it's because I get a bit nervous (nervous because I don't know what will happen if I stay in this state while conscious.) So this has happened many times but I usually haven't managed to stay in this state. But I've found that if I remember to relax like I do when I'm trying to fall asleep in the first place (I like to focus on breathing and count the breaths), it helps me remain in this state. The two successful times I was in this state, I just waited a few seconds to make sure the numbness/"rumbling" sounds were stable and weren't fading away. Then I imagined myself standing and looking at whatever scene I wanted to as clearly as I could, and held it there without changing it. Both times, whatever I visualized started getting clearer in my mind, much clearer than it normally does if I visualize while awake, then within seconds, that image faded into existence, so that I was literally seeing it through my closed eyelids. (The second time this happened, I also noticed the way my sense of balance gradually "shifted" from lying down to standing up.) At this point, I was effectively dreaming, and it was cool. Only problem is that it doesn't last long before I wake back up. The first time I woke up after only a few seconds in the dream; the second time, I woke up after about 20-30 seconds. Maybe it will last longer as I practice more?

[atkn]

I haven't succeeded in that, but in the second hand I haven't really tried... My friend claims that he fell asleep and suddenly he were sitting in his bed and threw a pillow in the wall and the wall fell off, with a airplane flying behind. He even did a reality check (the nose pinch) and he understood he were asleep. And then he woke up! I think you cannot have a long dream session at the beginning of the night because the first REM-perioid is about 10 minutes long, and I don't think you can chance your bodily functions so drastically!?

[JeX]

Hey Nugget, Awesome analysis . Yea having ld w/o prior sleep happens to me also. As i am daydreaming in class due to the very boring nature of class, i start to daze off. However, I dont want to get in trouble, thus i stay semi-awake. Sometimes i would cross into the dream world, but would abruptly return. Your experience pretty much is the same as mine.