Thread: Salvia divinorum

I read somewhere (http://www.web-us.com/lucid/luciddre...cid%20Dreaming) (Section 2.7) that smoking Salvia divinorum can help with recall and lucidity. Is there already a thread about this and if not I'd like to find more information about it. I have a reasonable amount of experience with salvia but I wasn't aware that it could help with this. I'm not relying on this method, but it does interest me.

It's a legal, yet heavy-duty hallucinogen (one of the most powerful ones in the world). Said to be more intense than LSD and on the same level (if not stronger) than DMT. Basically, you enter a totally different world. Trip lasts 10-15 minutes. There is so much more on the subject, but I'll end this by saying the following:

Experienced LSD and DMT trippers usually only try it once because of its intensity. I know of someone who became an apple, and was terrified someone was going to eat him. I also know of someone who melted into the couch and was afraid people were going to sit on him. Others have lifted out of their body and have experienced "becoming nothing".

It's not your average vitamin. It's a hard-core hallucinogen which is smoked. In other words, don't even think about it.

Edit: Whoops. Didn't know you have already done it

Not like I'm into hallucinogens, but I've always wondered if being experienced with lucid dreaming would help control bad trips better. Knowing the difference between what is real, and what is not...

Anyway, for the younger ones out there, don't go out looking for this stuff

I hate Salvia so much .... I can never enter the trance state and just feel an intense pressure on my mind and/or a strange gravitational force pulling my body in a certain direction ....uuuggggggh

It is very common on salvia to experience a pulling to the west. Also, the first few times you smoke salvia you do feel a very WEIRD pressure, and pins and needles. 10% of people cannot trip on salvia. It can also give headaches. Those of you reading and don't know about salvia, it takes you to a different place where anything is possible. Seriously, ANYTHING. The best way to describe it is that YOU GO INSANE. Sometimes you have some control, but most of the time not. As Daviid said, it is INTENSE (I can't stress this enough) and gives you wild dreams when you sleep. It works in about 30 seconds and is too intense for a lot of people, but the intense part only last a few moments and then about an hour afterglow.

Anyways, I don't want to talk too much about salvia's immediate effects, that's a different topic that could go on forever. I want to know if what I read has any validity and if crazier dreams results in a higher lucidity rate.

I know of someone who became an apple, and was terrified someone was going to eat him.[/b]

That happened to my friend but he was a fruit roll up. He now refuses to do it.

Hmm thats interesting...is it possible to overdose on it? Has there been any deaths from it? I'm just curious.

I have smoked Salvia a number of times, and though it is a neat little drug, it hasn't helped me with my recall or anything dream related. Well...except that I get deprived of sleep some nights because I stay up all night smoking it with my father and fiance.

Ive never heard of a death from salvia. an overdose however, is another story, depending on one's perspective of what it means to take too much of some substance.. its not the kind of thing you really could take too much of though, since you are consciously only able to take one or two hits (extract) before merging with another form of consciousness, very similar to a dream state only much more strange.

the expereinces people have mentioned so far are possible, altough no description does them justice. salvia is one of those substances which i believe is able to effect us for a reason, but like others have said, not everyone enjoys the expereince. however, i would recommend trying it if you consider your mind strong and your ability to generate unique persepctives inquisitive and forgiving. a mind willing to explore such things is a mind that will surely learn and grow

since salvia inst illegal i wouldnt mind sharing my experiences, so feel free to pm me.

Originally posted by ClockWise
Is there already a thread about this

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27880

Thanks for that link but it was just people talking about their trips. This isn't a drug forum. If you want to discuss your personal trips make another thread for it. I want to know if it has chemicals in it that help with dream recall and stuff, like B6 apparently has.

besides that stuff is soo stupid, ive known people that have blacked out, they took a hit and all of a sudden they would freeze with their eyes open and shake them and shit and nothing happens, they finally come out of the black out and they said they could hear ur voice and stuff like that.....it also happened to me..so if u ask me...dont do it, its stupid..its just another LEGAL drug like Alcohol, and i uset o use drugs constantly...all drugs are stupid..


thanks

dj jones

Listen folks- SHUT UP ABOUT WHAT SALVIA DOES AND YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS. I'm not looking to SPAM this forum with unrelated drug crap, which is what most of you are posting in this thread. If anyone feels me and knows what they're talking about, I'd really appretiate some info about how salvia relates to lucid dreaming.

Folks, I think what ClockWise is looking for is Salvia's effects on lucid dreaming. Remember, be nice and try to keep this on topic.

Also, as was stated earlier, this is not a drug forum. If this topic wanders into the realm of people actively promoting drug use, it will be removed.

while in amsterdam recently i smoked some 5x salvia (for the first time) without any effect. a little while thereafter i smoked some yopo seeds, also without any noticeable effect....however, when i fell asleep about 20 minutes later, i had an immediate, super vivid dream. i can only assume it was from the yopo (which contains dmt)...perhaps in terms of naturally occuring psychedelics, dmt containing plants are the ones to explore in terms of enhanced dreaming.. of course, thats just from my experience

Yeah, you're sure to get help by telling everyone to shut up

If you don't like what we're saying, then stop being so damn lazy and do some simple Google searches. There's even a "Search" function for the forums

You've posted 5 threads in the past 2 days on simple easy-to-answer topics. Not to mention, some that have already been answered more than once in the past.

Originally posted by Daviid
Yeah, you're sure to get help by telling everyone to shut up * *

If you don't like what we're saying, then stop being so damn lazy and do some simple Google searches. There's even a "Search" function for the forums *

You've posted 5 threads in the past 2 days on simple easy-to-answer topics. Not to mention, some that have already been answered more than once in the past.

patience is a virtue

Dear Daviid:

Remember, be nice and try to keep this on topic.[/b]

If you've got something personal to say then PM it to me. (I know I'm not taking my own advice, but I want to reiterate that this thread needs to stay on topic)

I did do research on it but all I could find were things saying that it put you in a dream-like state, nothing about lucidity. I found that one article that I gave a link to but it doesn't say anything more about salvia.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=52526 says:

There is a technique for going directly into a dream from being awake. This is by distracting our mind by counting and going past the hypnogacic Images. I was shown that this is not required if one can achieve a certain state of awareness by learning to let go without drifting off to sleep. A usual characteristic of Sally is a lucid dream like state of consciousness. She showed me that this is why. [/b]

http://salviadivinorum.tribe.net/thread/f5...a1-9aed7328975d says:

I went to sleep immediately and I felt myself while asleep have a change in consciousness. Note, this was AFTER I had fell asleep. I feel like it was the last of the Salvia wearing off and it kinda jarred my consciousness for a second.[/b]

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=3460 says:

Now, this whole week my sleep has been difficult to emerge from. My friend who smoked with me from the tobacco pipe claims to have felt rather hazey the next day, and from my experiences with him I feel he is VERY in tune with his body. I didn't feel hazy or not right, but I had such difficulties emerging from sleep, my dreaming was very active into the later parts of my sleep. This is normal for me, but I can also normally emerge to greet the day. [/b]

and

The dreams I had weren't amazing, in fact now that the effects seem worn off (two-three days later) my normal dreaming is better than I remember. Just be warned that Salvia may mess with sleep in heavy dreamers, like myself. [/b]

salvinorin a is probably not going to be found to help lucid or any other kind of dreaming due to the fact that it only last 5-15 minutes. why would anyone expect it to aid lucid dreaming for which the optimum time is the last few rem cycles 7-9 hours into sleep?

Originally posted by memeticverb
salvinorin a is probably not going to be found to help lucid or any other kind of dreaming due to the fact that it only last 5-15 minutes. *why would anyone expect it to aid lucid dreaming for which the optimum time is the last *few rem cycles 7-9 hours into sleep? *

In my opinion it does alter your dreams! I smoked it before going to bed and I had very weird dreams that dunno about lucidity

if you're going to use it for dreaming, you wouldn't smoke it. i think you have to partially ingest it instead.

Well the chemical Salvatorin A or whatever that gives the high only last a little while before it breaks down and stuff, but there are other chemicals in it too. But, I'm no chemist (although I'm in school to be). Back when I used to smoke salvia more often I didn't remember my dreams worth crap anyways. I'll try to get some soon and experiment, but money is tight and salvia is expensive.

Originally posted by braha_kahn
In my opinion it does alter your dreams! I smoked it before going to bed and I had very weird dreams that dunno about lucidity

interesting. do you think this is due to the chemical being actve in your system, or the consciousness-shattering/altering expereince of smoking savlia having an impact on what you dream about?

no Idea to be honoust.. we have a saying for that in my language "het kip of het ei"... who was first.. the chicken or the egg....

imo it doesn't matter... it just alters your dreams

about the chemicals.... Erowid states there are two active chemicals in it Salvinorin A & Salvinorin B

source: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia...chemistry.shtml