Thread: Inducing Trance To Wild - Part 1

Originally Posted by kungfurabbits

This is very interesting. My only trouble is that I never sleep on my back. lol. But I'll still try it once I get back into the rhythm of things since I took about a 6 month break from LDing.
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Sleeping on your back isn't necessary, it's just a recommendation goodluck with it if you try

Originally Posted by kungfurabbits

This is a fascinating technique, but I have a lot of trouble with it.... I used to get to a point where I'd be so far into it, I'd start to be just drifting off entirely, and then it's like there's this "click", and everything turns white, and I come rushing back to full consciousness.... Now I can't even get that far, I just don't seem to drift off at all.... I've never seen any HI, and only once have I heard anything, I heard what seemed to be a rock smashing on a highway sign or something.... I just don't get what I'm doing wrong....

How do you know if you've hit a trance state? I don't think I've ever gotten to one. The other night I managed to get to a point where I wasn't quite sure if I was awake or dreaming, I opened my eyes and everything seemed like it was moving in waves, like how the ground looks on a really hot day.... My mind was really fuzzy, and I can't remember it all that well, but I remember figuring out that I was actually awake.... Was that near/in a trance state?
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This is one of the many difficulties of WILD you must overcome with WillPower. You're not doing anything wrong, as long as you follow the whole procedure...it's just WILD is a pretty tough thing to do. But *don't* give up, because once you master WILD...it's a *very very* rewarding technique...to be able to Lucid Dream at will. Maybe procedure is not your thing, try tweaking the technique a bit? Do it and find your own way like I did. Maybe start deep breathing techniques when you're that far or something, anything to push further into sleep while maintaining consciousness. Trance would be usually a state in which you completely zone out and you have no conscious recollection of what happened but we're dealing with different trance states and those would be called 'BrainWave States' look that up. You can tell if you're in a trance by how disassociated you are from your physical body - the more, the deeper. What we're trying to achieve here is the Theta state which is on the border of being awake and asleep and when HI forms. The state before this would be Alpha which is when you are most creative - HI can form here too but not into a dream yet; this is also an ideal state to practice auto-suggestion. Beta is even before this and that's when you're fully awake. Anyways I think you were at borderline sleep theta state which is very very good, you just need to get past that little obstacle with willpower! Also pretty much everyone gets into trance states in their lives they just never realize it - it happens a lot when you're driving, or watching TV, etc.

Originally Posted by kungfurabbits

I think I'll try this technique tonight.

However, I am also eager to know, how much this works for you, Sythix ?
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I use this technique 3 times a day every week and it hasn't failed me yet (except for a few occasions) - I do it on naps in the afternoon every Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I don't do it everyday because I don't want my NLP anchoring
to weaken (which it does if used a lot). I also use this technique for auto-suggestion in the alpha/theta states and self-hypnosis. I'm always trying to find different ways to Lucid Dream as well so I can spread the knowledge
to all the newbies out there who are having difficult times; so 3 times a day sparingly is ideal for me.

Originally Posted by kungfurabbits

No luck for me last night again, I got fed up after about a half an hour.... I'm going to mix it up with a WBTB method tonight, maybe that'll help to relax my mind so I'll actually start seeing some HI and whatnot....
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I'm really considering posting techniques on how to develop vivid hypnagogic imagery for people who are having trouble achieving them... Also a WBTB with this technique is very very good so try that.

Im no good with HI

Originally Posted by Smileyguy597

Im no good with HI
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No problem, I'll be posting techniques soon on how to develop vivid visualization and HI. Try to at least achieve an alpha/theta state to experience that...you might be surprised and receive HI.

Oki, I tried this when I went to bet. I was in my bed, got into a comfortable position. I used 1 minute to get a bit relaxed and started reverse blinking. I was like "Not that powerfull" and then BAM, I was in a trance like state. I was not paralyzed, but my entire body was sorta lighter. Funny sensation. I started to imagine a bit stuff and got used to the feeling. I believe I reverseblinked for like 5 minutes. I reverse blinked a bit more and then I started twitching a bit. I found, that the twitching helps a lot.

I started to get very powerfull imaginations. Not HI though. I imagined myself doing lots of reality-checks.
I kept twitching and stuff for like 10 minutes, but stopped there, as I know inducing a lucid-dream when you go to bed is close to impossible.

I stopped, got up, and went to sleep. I fell to sleep in like 1 minute.

My alarm then woke me up at 05:20. I was like "What the hell am I doing up this early?" I walked a bit around and then I remembered "Ohh yes, I am doing a WILD, that's right.". I went for a pee, stayed up doing nothing for like 10 minutes and then I got back to bed. 15 minutes all in all.
I then started reverse-blinking. I found that I had a big struggle keeping my concentration. I probably have to stay up for a bit longer. I kept doing some combination stuff, but the bad concentration combined with how tired I was, resulted in me falling asleep after like 5 minutes.

However, it wasn't all waste, since I got a lucid-dream out of it. You can read it all in my DJ later today


I will do this tonight aswell, staying up for 30 minutes instead

Hehe ya I got maybe 5-8 blinks in last night before I fell asleep.
I guess its all in the balance; Too concentrated, nothing happens,
too detached, you fall asleep.

Do you try and still think about RB while the HI between blinks comes?

I have yet to experience real HI during this technique, however I do see some sort of "light pulses" waving over my eyes, in many different colors. What is RB?

Originally Posted by Marvo

I have yet to experience real HI during this technique, however I do see some sort of "light pulses" waving over my eyes, in many different colors. What is RB?
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RB is reverse blinking.

Oh yes, that makes sense

Hey Neko, thanks for the encouragement.

I tried this tech again today. First off, even before reverse blinking, i relaxed my body by bringing my awareness from my feet up to my head. For any of you having trouble achieving the trance and SP states i would highly recommend starting with either a relaxation or body awareness exercise, as i find it really speeds up the whole process. I then started reverse blinking, and after only about 10 or 15 blinks my eyes just stayed shut. My body started twitching slightly again, but i really had to work at not falling asleep. I'm pretty sure i was like sooo close to the full blown HI stage, because i imagined someone walking through my door, and i got up to check, only to realize moments later that i had imagined it. I will continue to try.

Sythix, how have you attached anchoring to this tech? I read the link about it and think that anchoring is incredibly cool. In fact i have set a relaxing anchor for myself, but i am unsure how you are applying it to this.

Keep trying everybody. I have never had a WILD before, however my DILD's are easily in the dozens. If i could LD at will, it would make me a very happy individual. This tech just might be the Holy Grail for the Holy Grail of lucid dreaming!!

Originally Posted by Nightmare

Sythix, how have you attached anchoring to this tech? I read the link about it and think that anchoring is incredibly cool. In fact i have set a relaxing anchor for myself, but i am unsure how you are applying it to this.
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Basically what you want to do is anchor the state deepest into which Reverse Blinking puts you in - either Alpha or Theta state. You can even do an SP/Theta state - the anchor doesn't have to be applied physically - it can be mentally. By doing this you make the WILD easier because you can then fire the anchor and quickly get into a trance state ideal for WILD. You can also play with NLP Anchoring to induce even FURTHER states of trance if you want to (and if you're not getting so far) - it's a classical hypnosis technique called 'fractionation' and I'll explain:

1) Get yourself into a light trance with Reverse Blinking and then apply your anchor, while applying a posthypnotic suggestion to yourself: 'every time I touch my fingers like this (or whatever anchor you
use) I will quickly reach this state of mind' - Say that to yourself three times in a 'matter of fact' kind of way
2) Then emerge from the trance state by opening your eyes. Then inhale deeply, and when you exhale, close your eyes and let yourself relax.
3) Do Reverse Blinking again, and as you feel yourself going into trance, fire your anchor.
4) Notice how you reach a deeper level of trance this second time, and when you feel you are deeper into Reverse Blinking, say your posthypnotic suggestion again, and re-anchor yourself.
5) Open your eyes and repeat about six times.

You will find that as you practice this regularly, and let yourself drop into lower brainwave states and anchor the state, you will be forming a new set of neurological pathways, and the more you do this, the faster and more effective your anchor will be.

I'm glad I remembered this technique, I used it a long time ago when I was having trouble reaching Theta state (without RB) - now I'll put it on the first post for all the newbies out there

Thanks for all the info Sythix. Unfortunately, I didn't get to try this with the WBTB method last night, as I was on a strict sleeping schedule, but I'll definitely give it a try tonight.

I think I may be too concentrated, since I don't normally seem to drift off easily.... It just always seems to be that way for me, my mind is like trained to it or something. Even when I wake up after like 4-6 hours for WBTB method, I'm perfectly conscious, and I can concentrate perfectly without falling asleep, or even having to fight it usually.... I don't know.... I've been tinkering with different WILD methods for nearly a year now, it just doesn't seem to work for me, but I'm very determined to get it right.... I need to put more time and effort into it I think, I'm just so stressed for time lately, I hardly get to put any effort into my lucid dreaming....

Well, I'm going to keep trying. I'll try and work on that thing where I come rushing back to consciousness, but I don't know how I'm going to overcome it, since I don't have any control over it, it just sort of happens when I drift off.... Maybe some auto suggestion to myself letting myself know that I won't come back to consciousness or something....

Hmm. Not getting anywhere with this. Again I woke up 4.5 hours
from when I went to bed, got up for just a few minutes and went
back in bed. I then preformed the deep breath and muscle tension
relaxing thingy Stephen Labrerge says to use. I then proceed with
the blinking. Nothing happens. I do it for about 30 minutes, and then
get extremely uncomfortable and need to change position.
I never get at all any kind of heaviness, sinking, or lightness.
Am I concentrating too hard?

BTW I have never had a WILD though i've tried maybe 20-30 times;
I don't really expect it to work all of a sudden. Heh im kinda losing hope
after trying ALOT over almost 2 years with 0 LD's.

Well, don't give up. I've been trying for nearly 2 years now, I didn't discover any WILD methods until a year ago however.... But in my two years of trying, I've only had 3 LD's, and only one of them actually lasted more than like 10 seconds.

Originally Posted by eggbert

Hmm. Not getting anywhere with this. Again I woke up 4.5 hours
from when I went to bed, got up for just a few minutes and went
back in bed. I then preformed the deep breath and muscle tension
relaxing thingy Stephen Labrerge says to use. I then proceed with
the blinking. Nothing happens. I do it for about 30 minutes, and then
get extremely uncomfortable and need to change position.
I never get at all any kind of heaviness, sinking, or lightness.
Am I concentrating too hard?

BTW I have never had a WILD though i've tried maybe 20-30 times;
I don't really expect it to work all of a sudden. Heh im kinda losing hope
after trying ALOT over almost 2 years with 0 LD's.
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I think you need to take a break eggbert. Too much forcing on your brain to induce Lucid Dreams, plus the failure will only cause more harm than good to your subconscious. I would suggest going over to my new topic to practice developing vivid visualizations - they're easy techniques and will benefit the goal of lucid dreaming all together. Or just take a break all together man, it's no good stressing over lucid dreaming so much! But that doesn't mean give up entirely, just take a few days off ya know?

What is NLP? Is it Neuro Linguistic Programming?

Originally Posted by eggbert

Hmm. Not getting anywhere with this. Again I woke up 4.5 hours
from when I went to bed, got up for just a few minutes and went
back in bed. I then preformed the deep breath and muscle tension
relaxing thingy Stephen Labrerge says to use. I then proceed with
the blinking. Nothing happens. I do it for about 30 minutes, and then
get extremely uncomfortable and need to change position.
I never get at all any kind of heaviness, sinking, or lightness.
Am I concentrating too hard?

BTW I have never had a WILD though i've tried maybe 20-30 times;
I don't really expect it to work all of a sudden. Heh im kinda losing hope
after trying ALOT over almost 2 years with 0 LD's.
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Well, if you are trying for 2 years you should have LDs. If not then something like your sleep scheddule, diet, level of stress or brain chemistry is preventing it. Try sleeping longer hours, taking vitamins and getting rid of stress Even if you cant do that, just try taking vitamins.

Originally Posted by Ev

What is NLP? Is it Neuro Linguistic Programming?
Well, if you are trying for 2 years you should have LDs. If not then something like your sleep scheddule, diet, level of stress or brain chemistry is preventing it. Try sleeping longer hours, taking vitamins and getting rid of stress Even if you cant do that, just try taking vitamins.
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Yes, NLP is Neuro Linguistic Programming. Great stuff, look it up if you have the chance. Find ways to enhance your well being, attract a girl, etc.

Heh, I tried reversed blinking.
But all that happens to me is that my left arm starts to feel like it's turning into one solid muscle. No tension, but also not an ''absence of tension''.

Can't really describe.

But besides that nothing really happened. I did have a really vivid lucid but I doubt it's to thank to that.

lol Well I am not really that concerned about LD's, just surprised I havn't had one,
and I have taken breaks before. Well this week ill kinda be forced to take a break,
so hopefully that will help! I've really only been trying with much effort for about 4 -5 months... Well thanks anyhow!

Ill be doing this method tonight ill update on what happens

Lovely info =)
you're my hero!


good job.

Is this technique applied after a WBTB or the first time you go to sleep?

Originally Posted by ALovelyWay2Burn

Is this technique applied after a WBTB or the first time you go to sleep?
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Whenever you want, though during a WBTB is more effective.

Sounds very interesting to me, I will try it tonight and post the result tomorrow. Wish me good luck! Sweet blinking dreams everybody!

I did the reverse blinking thing this morning. Man, talk about the HI is generated. Didn't slip directly into a lucid dream using it, but did have a nice hour long lucid this morning.

I'm going to experiment with this thing a little more.

I want you to turn this into a full-blown tutorial. PM me for information on the style and format for tutorials.