Thread: Inducing Trance To Wild - Part 1

I did it last night and fell asleep really quick but I didn't see any HI. I didn't do it again in the morning because I wasn't that tired. I'll probably try again on Sunday after sleeping for five hours.

Ok. I tried it 3 times over the course of the night.

The first time was before I fell asleep. I wanted to get a feel for it before I tried it in the early morning hours. The reverse blinking definitely made me deeply relaxed. After a few minutes I had a hard time opening my eyes. I wanted to keep them closed so that I could go deeper. So I just watched the usual HI for a minute or so and for a time I lost awareness then suddenly I remembered myself. I felt very strange and I could not remember what happened (sort of like a sucker punch. You are slightly dazed and your face is numb but you don’t know why). I may have been entering SP and starting to WILD. But my heart started racing and I fell out of it. So I decided to let it go a little an not try so hard. I fell asleep.

Then @ 4:30am I tried it again. My arms and hands got really numb and was very uncomfortable. So I gave up and tried audio induction.

Then @ 8:00 am I tried again. I started to sort of reenter a dream but I could not relax enough. There was too much sunshine in my room.

I think this technique will be very useful for WILD but I am not sure I was doing it right. You said that at some point you keep your eyes closed. How do you know when to do that? I was thinking maybe I did it too early even though they got heavy and tired. I would also like to know if anyone was successful before going to sleep for the first time that night. I may take a nap this afternoon and try this again. If I am successful I will post.

About the sunshine - put a towel around your eyes, like a blindfold.

interesting...

i was just about to take a nap so i think i'll try this method. i've never had a WILD before so wish me luck!

Originally Posted by Coolv

I'm not sure if I got sleep paralysis using this technique (yes, I'm a n00b to LDing), but I felt kind of numb and warm while doing this technique. I had images, etc. in my head. Some of them even moved. Unfortunately, I dit not "fall into abyss", but I had this strange perception (I think it was a pre-dream) that involved me walking, for about three seconds. I opened my eyes after that, and it turned out that I was not in the lucid state. Needless to say, after doing a reality check, which proved that I was in reality, I got up from my bed.

I should say that, at te end when I saw the images, I was not doing the reverse blinking.

Oh, and by the way, this is an awesome technique (once again), but I haven't WILDed yet, so... (This was my second try at WILDing.)

Do you think that I should change something in my execution?
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Hey Coolv,

Your execution for WILDing was fine - but let me ask you something, were you daydreaming? If you were, next time try to think/visualize in terms of darkness rather than daydreaming or trying to see HI. Just focus on darkness in your minds eye and keep doing the reverse blinking until your eyes get so heavy you just can't do the technique any longer and then keep visualizing darkness. Then as HI forms invite it and let it flow until you reach a dream. You might be a person who experiences HI first instead of SP or SP first instead of HI. Whatever is the case, what you really need to achieve is SP because the state of SP is your mind and bodies "safe to dream" sign. Also, you'll know when you're in SP because you literally cannot feel your body at ALL. You can't feel how heavy it is against your bed and you can't even move it (paralysis, lol), so you'll know.

Originally Posted by Coolv

I think this technique will be very useful for WILD but I am not sure I was doing it right. You said that at some point you keep your eyes closed. How do you know when to do that? I was thinking maybe I did it too early even though they got heavy and tired. I would also like to know if anyone was successful before going to sleep for the first time that night. I may take a nap this afternoon and try this again. If I am successful I will post.
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Hi Xanous,

You'll know when to keep them closed because you'll be in full SP and vibrations, then what you do is let the HI come and watch it while being dissasociated with your body entirely and fully aware of the imagery, and when the time is right (you'll know when cause the HI will be more stable) just jump into the dream. You might have done it too early, just try again. Also to make this process much faster and easier you should try NLP anchoring. I really recommend NLP anchoring to anyone who tries this technique...because you don't really want to reverse blink everytime you do this do you?

i was just thinking what if we made an nlp anchor directly to lucid dreaming? anchor an alarm sound to lucid dreaming, and set that alarm on low to when you would be in rem! your mind will pick it up while you are sleeping and hopefully give you a lucid dream or put your phone on vibrate and anchor that to lucid dreaming, then stick it in your pocket and set the alarm to when you would be in rem. this is a great idea... thanks sythix

Originally Posted by freefire

i was just thinking what if we made an nlp anchor directly to lucid dreaming? anchor an alarm sound to lucid dreaming, and set that alarm on low to when you would be in rem! your mind will pick it up while you are sleeping and hopefully give you a lucid dream or put your phone on vibrate and anchor that to lucid dreaming, then stick it in your pocket and set the alarm to when you would be in rem. this is a great idea... thanks sythix
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I think that's possible. Besides anchoring a reality check to an alarm or vibrating cellphone you could maybe anchor the lucid dream state itself - since the "programming" of the anchor requires you to visualize back to a memory of that time.

# Decide on the state you want to anchor. For example being calm and relaxed.
# Choose an anchor (or anchors) that you wish to trigger the resourceful state.
# Recall a memory or imagine a situation where you can experience the state. So recall or imagine a time when you experienced the state.

So, recall or imagine a lucid state you've had or imagine it would be like and anchor it. Then set it off as you're falling asleep or something? Another way to anchor the lucid state would be to be in it and anchor it as you're there in the lucid state.

Another way to anchor the lucid state would be to be in it and anchor it as you're there in the lucid state.[/b]

that would probably be a risky way to do it, in my opinion of course. cause lets say that you did set the anchor in the lucid dream and woke up. If you somehow noticed your anchor while you were awake there is no way you could have a lucid dream right then so the anchor might break on the other hand if you could succesfuly set it, and didnt notice it in the day, then this would perhaps be the best way because you lived the state while setting the anchor not just remembered it

i believe that there is a new technique in here somewhere... just got to unbury it lol

I have two Questions:

1. Why is it so important to sleep on your back?
2. (Kind of related) I do have back issues, so I usually can't sleep on my back. I sleep on my side or stomach. Is this OK?

Originally Posted by chzplz

I have two Questions:

1. Why is it so important to sleep on your back?
2. (Kind of related) I do have back issues, so I usually can't sleep on my back. I sleep on my side or stomach. Is this OK?
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Hi chzplz,

1. It's really not totally necessary to sleep on your back but it's recommended to because it makes SP come faster and easier and it's especially useful since if you don't sleep on your back, to be in that position in which you're not comfortable in so that you may keep consciousness running to do a WILD is easier because if you were to try it in the way you usually fall asleep then you'll have some difficulty (and you'll just fall asleep) but it won't be entirely impossible.
2. Doing WILD in a position in which you don't normally fall asleep in, such as sitting upright on a chair or on your back will help you keep consciousness while you transition into a REM stage but trying it on your normal sleeping positions will be perfectly fine. See what works and is comfortable for you but remember you want to be able to keep consciousness if you're trying to WILD so maybe get a big pillow or something different?

Ok, I tried it last night, but I never really got tired. I actually don't know how long I did it. There were times where my mind wondered. Is that the first sign of getting tired? I was easily concentrating on counting to five, but as it got later, I found it harder to keep my mind on track. I'd always start thinking of something else. I never got HI, or SP, or any feelings like that, but I did get a really neat dream and effect about Reverse Blinking that night. Read about it if you want. So how long would you suggest I do this? Would it be best if I continued as long as possible? Is it guaranteed that I'll have those weird "abyss" feelings like many people are talking about? I just want to know these things.

Another quick question is it possible to try to go into a dream while you're dreaming. Wouldn't that kind of throw your mind into wack? That's what happened on my last dream. Check it out and post any comments.

Thanks.
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I tried this. I was pretty far into it. I got to the point of HI. I got lost somewhere, and saw a sheet of paper. It said "This is not working, you should open your eyes". So I took the paper's advice and opened my eyes. Damnit, I was so close!

Failing this, coupled with another method gave a LD. See mypost

I've noticed that failing at WILDs frequently gives me DILDs later in the night. I wonder why that is.

Ok so I had another LD tonight. I think this reverse blinking method is just a great way to relax. I had trouble going back to sleep but I use RB and it put me out. I really dont think it induced a LD though. I have been using some autosuggetion and think that the RB just let me get relaxed enough to recieve it. So I guess in a sense it does work. Thanks for sharing and thank that spider if you see it again. LOL.

Originally Posted by remus0

I tried this. I was pretty far into it. I got to the point of HI. I got lost somewhere, and saw a sheet of paper. It said "This is not working, you should open your eyes". So I took the paper's advice and opened my eyes. Damnit, I was so close!
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That's hilarious, lol.

Originally Posted by remus0

So how long would you suggest I do this? Would it be best if I continued as long as possible? Is it guaranteed that I'll have those weird "abyss" feelings like many people are talking about? I just want to know these things.

Another quick question is it possible to try to go into a dream while you're dreaming. Wouldn't that kind of throw your mind into wack? That's what happened on my last dream. Check it out and post any comments.
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You should try this for about a month - as you become more adept at it you'll get into deeper states of trance and be able to easily transition into a dream fully aware with practice. It's not guaranteed that you'll have the abyss feeling because everyone is different, you may experience other sensations like spinning and such (these are signs telling you you're getting pretty deep because they're normal things that happen while you're unconscious drifting or in sleep).

As for going into a dream while dreaming, that's a really weird thing to do. Last time I did this that lucid dream within a lucid dream was very very malleable and liquid like.... it was as if I could shape the entire universe at will - where as in a regular lucid dream it might be a little tougher. It kinda reminded me of different layers of reality or something. Physical Reality (where there are laws that govern - gravity, etc) > Lucid Dream Reality (less laws or none at all - this could be astral reality before it if that exists) > Dream Within A Dream (where there are no laws and anything can be done). Something like that...

Originally Posted by remus0

I've noticed that failing at WILDs frequently gives me DILDs later in the night. I wonder why that is.
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I think it's the effort you're putting into achieving a lucid dream through WILD. I've done this a few times (failed at WILDs) but fell asleep right afterwards and my consciousness was still with me so I became lucid.

Originally Posted by remus0

Ok so I had another LD tonight. I think this reverse blinking method is just a great way to relax. I had trouble going back to sleep but I use RB and it put me out. I really dont think it induced a LD though. I have been using some autosuggetion and think that the RB just let me get relaxed enough to recieve it. So I guess in a sense it does work. Thanks for sharing and thank that spider if you see it again. LOL.
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Reverse Blinking can be used for lots of things. Since it gets you in a nice suggestible state you could use it to perhaps take in some subliminals with my SILD technique, or planting auto-suggestions while in the state is perfect too - or just relaxing. It's a great little technique and I'll be sure to thank that spider if I see it again

This is a really nice technique. I've never been this close to a successful wild before.
I got the numb feeling in my body and when I tried this last night I got something that felt like needles pinching all over my legs. I also got to the part where HI came and went (I never get very clear HI).
I'll try this in combination with my absence of sound idea.

Originally Posted by Wacom

This is a really nice technique. I've never been this close to a successful wild before.
I got the numb feeling in my body and when I tried this last night I got something that felt like needles pinching all over my legs. I also got to the part where HI came and went (I never get very clear HI).
I'll try this in combination with my absence of sound idea.
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Great! Glad my technique worked out for you, and tell us how it goes with your combination of absence of sound and reverse blinking - that should be interesting... (also that coming and going of HI may be something else...)

I tried this last night but it took ages for any effects to make them selves apparent to me. But then again I think I was toooo tired and couldn't consentrate enough.

Originally Posted by Sythix

Great! Glad my technique worked out for you, and tell us how it goes with your combination of absence of sound and reverse blinking - that should be interesting... (also that coming and going of HI may be something else...)
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The technique is awesome, if someone is having trouble relaxing I'm going to recommend this.
I will let you know how this turns out

This reverse blinking has no effect on me. I know how it feels when you are really tired and are watching television or something, you keep shutting your eyes and forcing them open again and this makes you feel really tired. BUT when doing this in bed it has no effect at all. If anything it makes me too alert and I can't relax. However I do find it interesting.

Originally Posted by Tom_Peace

This reverse blinking has no effect on me. I know how it feels when you are really tired and are watching television or something, you keep shutting your eyes and forcing them open again and this makes you feel really tired. BUT when doing this in bed it has no effect at all. If anything it makes me too alert and I can't relax. However I do find it interesting.
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Well, everyone is different...so maybe this technique has no effect on you. Or maybe you're opening your eyes too hard or focusing too hard or something. Reverse blinking should be done in a relaxed manner and consistently every 5 seconds. Sometimes I extend this time to 6 seconds and it works better. It's a really good technique if you can do it, I use it all the time to relax and etc.

This sounds great!
I've stopped focusing on LD'ing for a couple of months now, and I think I should probably get back on the horse. This is going to be the first thing I try- I've had trouble with other methods because my mind wanders, but this sounds like something that's easy to focus on.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5
OPEN
FIND OBJECT
CLOSE
1, 2, 3, 4, 5....

This sounds really promising, I'll try this tonight and let you know my results.