Thread: Inducing Trance To Wild - Part 1

Originally Posted by Seeker

I did the reverse blinking thing this morning. Man, talk about the HI is generated. Didn't slip directly into a lucid dream using it, but did have a nice hour long lucid this morning.

I'm going to experiment with this thing a little more.

I want you to turn this into a full-blown tutorial. PM me for information on the style and format for tutorials.
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Awesome Seeker, glad to hear that. I sent you a PM btw, I've been meaning to send you a PM for a while now about making my tutorials bigger, thanks a lot.

Originally Posted by Seeker

By the way, I have posted my result before, but of course this forum database had to crash.. so here's my result again...

First try: It helped me to relax some more, but I lost my concentration and turned over... falling asleep fast.

Second try: Deeper relaxation. Lost concentration again. Fell asleep fast.

No lucidity...

*shrugs*
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Hey Dm7,

The technique itself is used to induce a trance state in which you feel more relaxed to aid in WILDing, it isn't really used to induce a lucid dream but I've heard several reports about people using it before sleep and having lucid dreams, like Seeker just had.

I just got my first true LD this morning using this technique!!!
thanks man!

Originally Posted by cidus

I just got my first true LD this morning using this technique!!!
thanks man!
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Way to go!!!

Originally Posted by Sythix

Hey Dm7,

The technique itself is used to induce a trance state in which you feel more relaxed to aid in WILDing, it isn't really used to induce a lucid dream but I've heard several reports about people using it before sleep and having lucid dreams, like Seeker just had.
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Yeah, I have noticed that it was just for relaxation. Unfortunately, this method isn't for my taste. I can relax easily anyways, but I can see that it can be helpful for some of DVers here... obviously from the result so far. Way to go!

Originally Posted by Sythix

I just got my first true LD this morning using this technique!!!
thanks man!
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Congrats! I can't imagine how thrilling it must be! It must be insane! Again, like I mentioned earlier, this technique, apparently, is helpful for some DVers here.

Thanks!
Total from this method I've already had 5 LD's! woo!

Used it again this morning. Didn't progress to WILD or anything, but I did become lucid about 15 minutes after falling asleep? Coincidence?

BTW, how's the tutorial coming along?

Same story for me. Haven't had a WILD using this technique, but it does put me into a trance state. I too frequently have lucid dreams after using this technique and then going to sleep. I don't think it's a conincedence either.

I tried this technique last night and I had some trouble with the couting:
How fast should I count?
Should the counting be synchronized with the respiration?
And if so, should I adjust the counting speed to the speed of the respiration, or adjust the speed of the respiration to a chosen constant rate of counting?

If I don't synchronize the counting with the respiration then I become agitated because the counting sort of breaks the natural rythem imposed by the respiration.
If I do synchronize it, then if I adjust the counting to match the respiration then the counting speed changes all the time, because the speed of the respiration changes naturaly.
But if I adjust the respiration to match a chosen couting rate then the respiration speed become constant which is not natural, and I don't find it relaxing.

So, what is the best option?

Ok
this technique seems effective, but when I use it, (lying on my back) it puts me into a trance as it says
but at the point when I can no longer close me eyes should I stay in the same place and continue counting, or can i roll over to my side and go to sleep.
By the way I only want to use this technique to fall asleep quickly, not WILD,
so when aiming to fall asleep quickly, do I continue i nthe same positin countine, or move to my confortasble position
Id appreciate advice from anybody who has used this technique to cure insomnia.
Imran

Originally Posted by Seeker

Used it again this morning. Didn't progress to WILD or anything, but I did become lucid about 15 minutes after falling asleep? Coincidence?

BTW, how's the tutorial coming along?
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Coincidence, I think not

The tutorial is coming along good, I should have it soon for you.

Originally Posted by Seeker

I tried this technique last night and I had some trouble with the couting:
How fast should I count?
Should the counting be synchronized with the respiration?
And if so, should I adjust the counting speed to the speed of the respiration, or adjust the speed of the respiration to a chosen constant rate of counting?

If I don't synchronize the counting with the respiration then I become agitated because the counting sort of breaks the natural rythem imposed by the respiration.
If I do synchronize it, then if I adjust the counting to match the respiration then the counting speed changes all the time, because the speed of the respiration changes naturaly.
But if I adjust the respiration to match a chosen couting rate then the respiration speed become constant which is not natural, and I don't find it relaxing.

So, what is the best option?
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Hi, you should be counting by seconds mentally in your mind for up to 5 seconds while your eyes are closed, when you reach 5 open them and briefly focus on the ceiling or something and close them again, once again counting up to 5 and repeating. You may lengthen this time if you want, see what is comfortable for you.

You don't have to synchronize the counting with your respiration, only if you want to. You may continue breathing naturally, and every exhale and inhale just open your eyes briefly as said for reverse blinking.

Counting should not be fast, btw. Either count normally to 5 by seconds or naturally synchronize it with your breath, don't worry about time as long as you are reverse blinking it can still work.

Originally Posted by Seeker

Ok
this technique seems effective, but when I use it, (lying on my back) it puts me into a trance as it says
but at the point when I can no longer close me eyes should I stay in the same place and continue counting, or can i roll over to my side and go to sleep.
By the way I only want to use this technique to fall asleep quickly, not WILD,
so when aiming to fall asleep quickly, do I continue i nthe same positin countine, or move to my confortasble position
Id appreciate advice from anybody who has used this technique to cure insomnia.
Imran
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Hi imran_p,

When you reach that trance state in any position, you shouldn't move because that will break it off. You should continue in the same position and reverse blink until you're really sleepy or fall asleep entirely. And if you want to sleep on your comfortable side then you should reverse blink from your comfortable side and stay there till you fall asleep. There are insomniacs I know that have tried my technique and have fallen asleep quick with it

Thanks for the adice sythix
if you wouldnt mind I have another quick question
my room is dark so i cant focus on anything, so how long aprox should i open my eyes for?
I udnserstand as it is such a short amount of time it may be hard to measure
Thanks
Imran

Originally Posted by imran_p

Thanks for the adice sythix
if you wouldnt mind I have another quick question
my room is dark so i cant focus on anything, so how long aprox should i open my eyes for?
I udnserstand as it is such a short amount of time it may be hard to measure
Thanks
Imran
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Open your eyes for a 1 second interval and then close them again, its ok if the room is dark, it works like that as well.

I tired this last night lol. I did everything you said. [This is My 1st attempt to do something Lucid, I don't remember My dreams, I've just started researching this 2 days ago.]

I got to the HI stage, well... from what I could tell they where only flashes of lights, and yes I got very sleepy. I found myself inside my own mind, thinking to my self, ‘Just relax, be patient, let the images form and come to you.’ Then I thought I saw a painting in blackness, then I thought I heard the chirping of birds I said to myself ‘wow, I must be imaging it, maybe because I just want something to happen.’ Then it went away, and lights were flashing again, after that I Guess I was sitting there for 5 minutes in the HI stage, my heart started beating faster, I could hear my heart pumping inside of my chest lol, I felt as though I was gonna lose consicense(sp?) Or pass out, maybe I was headed to dream land, maybe I wasn’t... but I gave up because I thought something bad could have happened being that my heart was pumping like that lol. Thank you so much, this does seems to be an effective way, and I will try again. Next time I’ll focus more on my heart.

wow! I did this last night and had a strange experience before a LD. I did a reverse blink after 5 seconds and counted after each one. After awhile I started to doze off and was able to catch myself before my mind began to wonder. Suddenly I started to hear really loud noises which sounded like banging metal from the inside of my ears, and my heart felt as if it was pounding rapidly, then I thought I woke up but not realizing that I was acctually in a dream. My mom walked in and I was mad because I was tired and told her to please leave, she stared at me and kept coming in, suddenly I started to become more aware and woke up for real this time. I woke up and everything seemed as it was, but my mom vanished. Still not understanding what just happened I walked downstairs into my kitchen and asked my mom if she went in my room, she responded "no....?". No longer confused I realized that was a false awakening, but this one seemed so real! After that I decided to give this another go, I relaxed and breathed in through my nose and out through my mouth and used the reverse blinking technique. While I use this technique I can acctually see my thoughts getting more realistic and my mind wondering, even when in the theta state I still feel aware. I slowly drifted into a thought which turned into a dream but I realized I was dreaming immediatly. This is the only time I had an LD without an RC. Today I took a nap and used RB again and had another LD. This technique is pretty amazing, I suggest everyone should try it. This is so good, that it should be posted in the "Tutorials" section.

Very Intresting, I'll Give It A Go

Another success. This past saturday morning, got up to use the toilet, back to bed. Having trouble relaxing for WILD. A couple of reverse blinks and I was into transition. First sucessful WILD I've had in a while! And man, you talk about the clarity, vibrance, and length of the dream, must have hit it at the exact beginning of a REM cycle.

Thank you!

This seems GREAT!! Read all posts I'll give it a try tonight. Keep experimenting Syntix you're doing well!

I tried it tonight but the reversed blinking method was rather unsuccessful for me, or maybe I was doing it wrong?.

I was lying completely still and I felt very relaxed but after I had done the reversed blinking for like 10 minutes I felt pretty dozy but I wasn't that tired that I couldn't continue with the reversed blinking . I kept going for like a few minutes more but it felt like it didn't have any particular effect so i stopped and fell asleep.

Felt more like lying still had the best effect of detaching my brain from the physical body, but i dunno. Any suggestions?

to root it well.. I'd like to give a few practice runs (reverse blinking) in during the day... Is this safe? ... or will I be walking around like a zombie the rest the day?

edit... I do mean drowzy...

Originally Posted by BohmaN

I tried it tonight but the reversed blinking method was rather unsuccessful for me, or maybe I was doing it wrong?.

I was lying completely still and I felt very relaxed but after I had done the reversed blinking for like 10 minutes I felt pretty dozy but I wasn't that tired that I couldn't continue with the reversed blinking . I kept going for like a few minutes more but it felt like it didn't have any particular effect so i stopped and fell asleep.

Felt more like lying still had the best effect of detaching my brain from the physical body, but i dunno. Any suggestions?
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You may have done it too fast, I'm not sure. Try to keep the timing between blinks at least 5 seconds, and when you have them open you must focus on something, even if its darkness don't keep your eyes crossed as they were behind your eyes or anything - focus them to the distance for 1 second and then close them again quickly. It may just take some practice or getting used to, or it may not work on you at all, not sure.

Originally Posted by BohmaN

to root it well.. I'd like to give a few practice runs (reverse blinking) in during the day... Is this safe? ... or will I be walking around like a zombie the rest the day?

edit... I do mean drowzy...
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Reverse Blinking during the day is totally safe, you can use it anytime during the day to relax yourself wherever you are and then break out of it by moving - and you'll be back in beta brainwaves states, possibly even feeling better than before.

You may have done it too fast, I'm not sure. Try to keep the timing between blinks at least 5 seconds, and when you have them open you must focus on something, even if its darkness don't keep your eyes crossed as they were behind your eyes or anything - focus them to the distance for 1 second and then close them again quickly. It may just take some practice or getting used to, or it may not work on you at all, not sure.[/b]

Hi again, Well that might be the problem because in my room there's complete darkness. What should I do about that?

Sorry to bother you with questions but should you open your eyes completely or just slightly?

Hey, I tried this method a couple of days ago - it was my first try.

Anyway, I got to a stage after the reverse blinking where I.. kind of felt a bit separated from my body.. as if I would need to put extra effort into moving it. Anyway, I did so and it did take a bit more effort - I don't know if this is because I'm slipping into it or something..

This took me 25 minutes, and that's all I got to. I just did the sixty-two point relaxation technique thing, making my body feel heavy, then did reverse blinking for a while..

I gave up after that time because I had to get up early the next day - but now it's the weekend so I can take my time

Sorry if I've missed something, but what's the counting part? Is it like, imagining you're going up stairs and counting the floor numbers? Because I tried doing this and found it incredibly difficult to concentrate, I'd only count two or three, and then start thinking of something completely random...

So if that feeling of being away from my body is normal , then what can I do from then onwards? I know about the nose RC, but how can you do this if you're meant to be lying still? Or once again, am I missing something?!

Sorry!

RetepNamenots, what you are talking about sounds more like the ordinary WILD to me with counting steps as you fall asleep. What he means is that you should count 1-2-3-4-5 and then open your eyes, fixate at an object, close your eyes and keep that image in mind. Repeat that and dream images probably will start to form. Though I haven't succeded yet.

Well you should only attempt to do a RC when you feel pretty sure that you are in a dream.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Syntix

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Hi again, Well that might be the problem because in my room there's complete darkness. What should I do about that?

Sorry to bother you with questions but should you open your eyes completely or just slightly?
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Reverse blinking should still work in complete darkness. When you open your eyes just look beyond the darkness for a moment. Also the eyes should open completely.

Originally Posted by BohmaN

Please correct me if I'm wrong, Syntix
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You're correct