Thread: My Biggie Problemo.

Originally Posted by SinofEnvy

I just want SOME control and "be there" the time it happens. My dreams arn't like waking life experiences, it's more like... They never happened, but I can still recall a memory. [/b]

Originally Posted by SinofEnvy

But as I said above, my dreams arn't waking life experiences (or so they feel), it's like they never happened. I'll give an example: I just sat on the toilet. I have that as a memory but when I actually sat on the toilet, I was actually on the toilet. Dúh? The difference with my dreams is, I have my dreams as a memory, but I was not actually there when they happened. You know what I'm saying?[/b]

Originally Posted by SinofEnvy

But the difference between waking life experience recalls and dream recalls is that when the event actually occured, I was there in waking life, but I was not actually there in the dream when it occured.[/b]

Originally Posted by SinofEnvy

I seem to dream differently than most people. Check my comments on the other quotes. And thus, I can not actually say those things in a lucid dream, as I am not actually there the moment it happens.\[/b]

Originally Posted by SinofEnvy

Control like THAT is not an issue, I more meant control as in actually being there...[/b]

I understand what you're saying, as I understood before. I usually experience dreams the same way (usually but not always). And we're not alone, did you read that first thread that I linked to? Did you even read my post at all, or did you just quote it? My entire point is this: yes, it feels like you weren't "really there" when it happened. Why does it feel like this? Because this is how dream memories feel. Why do dreams feel like this? My theory is that it's simply because the memories are so much more distant and vague than waking memories (although I really can't say exactly why). So in response to you "not being there"... you were there, and you did experience it- it is only in hindsight it feels like you didn't. Consider the possibility that it is merely a matter of perception.

Also, I think you missed my point on comparing your dream memories to waking memories. The memory of you having "just sat on the toilet" is quite different from the kind of memory I suggested recalling: a distant memory from your childhood. Set aside what you think you know about the experiences (I "know" I was there in the waking memory, I "know" that I wasn't there in the dream memory) and just focus non-judgementally on how you perceive the memory. Now compare that to how you perceive one of your dream memories. You'll notice they feel quite similar. Now, what's the point of this comparison? The point is so you can see that that feeling you are experiencing with dream memories, that feeling (and it's a feeling, not solid knowledge like you keep stating) of having not actually been there as it happened, can even happen to your waking memories. It's how memories begin to feel as they become progressively more distant and vague. Your dreams just get a big head-start on the process . Another example: compare dream memories to waking memories where you were really drunk (really drunk, not "5 beers drunk"). Unless you haven't been that drunk (like on the verge of blacking out), in which case just ignore this example .

So in summary: You ARE experiencing your dreams in real-time, the moment they happen, just like your waking life, it is only that the quality of your dream memories makes it seem like you aren't. It is simply a matter of perception. Or do you believe that you are "different" from everyone else, and your mind just fabricates memories to deposit into your memory banks every night?

Sorry if any of this came off as hostile, it's not meant as a personal attack, I'm just trying to make you see .

Edit: BTW, you didn't really answer me, so you do dream in third person? I couldn't tell if you meant that literally or if you just meant it was "like" third person because you didn't really feel in control of your actions, I was kind of assuming the latter. If you're having lucid dreams in third person view, man, I don't know what to say Seems kind of hard to wrap my mind around that. I'm not really qualified to be giving out advice in those particular cases :\.