Thread: What Can I Do ?

Originally Posted by OmnipotentTitan

When Im in dreams i seem to know that its a dream and that i wanna ld and all that, but nothing happens. It feels sort of like im remembering my dream and anything I will cant happen... I dunno what to do I been tryin so hard, and some days i just say screw it, no real success
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There is the Propaganda Promises about Lucid Dreaming, and then there is actual Lucid Dreaming.

You have gone into Lucid Dreaming with all sorts of misconceptions.

Well, forget all that crap.

Do what you can do. Lucid dreaming is being aware while in a dream that one is dreaming. That's it. That's all.

So what does this allow you to do? Well, it allows you to make conscious choices. Not that you will be able to control anything, anymore than you have control over your Waking World. But you do have choices.

In my Lucid Dreams I choose to Meditate sometimes. Sometimes I Levitate and Fly... always to a new and interesting Dream Scene as my Higher Dream Mind decides for me. Sometimes I try out various Spiritual Prayers and Mantras -- all the famous and traditional Prayers and Mantras as they are invested with much Power from cumulative Traditions and hundreds of Saints on this Side and on the Other.

So simply Focus on your Lucidity. Look at your hands. And then make a simple Choice. Just looking around at the dream details -- the ground at your feet, the scenary out in the distance. Or unlock the details of the Dream Scene by REMEMBERING. Remembering is really cool. Almost any access to Memory unlocks a floodgate. Think to yourself, "when was the last time I was here?" and your Dream Memory -- well, you try it and you will see what I mean.

Anyway, start small. Don't expect much. Take Lucidity for what it is, and that should be enough.

Remember, the Lie never was real, so you have not lost a thing.

Originally Posted by tai

If I'm understanding your problem correctly, it sounds like you need to work on increasing your Lucidity once you've become aware that you're dreaming.

Lucidity can begin with fairly low-level awareness. You're distantly aware that you're dreaming, but unless you do something trigger a higher level of Lucidity, you won't have any control of that dream.

Performing a reality check is a good way to achieve high Lucidity. Everyone has different things that work for them - if you think you might be dreaming, you can examine at your hands, talk to a dream character, block your nose and try breathe through it, etc.

Doing a reality check will make the dream much more clear and stable, and you'll be able to start practising control. There's a great list of reality checks here:

http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/inde...showtopic=4935

Also check out dream spinning if you like:

http://www.dreamviews.com/stayinglucid.php
Hope that helps!
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Im not even at the state where i can do anything at all, like it seems as if ive had all my dreams and i remember them in the seconds before waking up kind of thing, you got it right that im distantly aware, but i dont have any control whatsoever even over my thoughts let alone what happens

Originally Posted by tai

There is the Propaganda Promises about Lucid Dreaming, and then there is actual Lucid Dreaming.

You have gone into Lucid Dreaming with all sorts of misconceptions.

Well, forget all that crap.

Do what you can do. Lucid dreaming is being aware while in a dream that one is dreaming. That's it. That's all.

So what does this allow you to do? Well, it allows you to make conscious choices. Not that you will be able to control anything, anymore than you have control over your Waking World. But you do have choices.

In my Lucid Dreams I choose to Meditate sometimes. Sometimes I Levitate and Fly... always to a new and interesting Dream Scene as my Higher Dream Mind decides for me. Sometimes I try out various Spiritual Prayers and Mantras -- all the famous and traditional Prayers and Mantras as they are invested with much Power from cumulative Traditions and hundreds of Saints on this Side and on the Other.

So simply Focus on your Lucidity. Look at your hands. And then make a simple Choice. Just looking around at the dream details -- the ground at your feet, the scenary out in the distance. Or unlock the details of the Dream Scene by REMEMBERING. Remembering is really cool. Almost any access to Memory unlocks a floodgate. Think to yourself, "when was the last time I was here?" and your Dream Memory -- well, you try it and you will see what I mean.

Anyway, start small. Don't expect much. Take Lucidity for what it is, and that should be enough.

Remember, the Lie never was real, so you have not lost a thing.
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Im not sure what you mean with the lie ? As ive said above, I dont have any control yet at all

Originally Posted by Leo

So what does this allow you to do? Well, it allows you to make conscious choices. Not that you will be able to control anything, anymore than you have control over your Waking World. But you do have choices.
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No offense, but I can't believe you said that, it's like contradicting the point! How can you say "Not that you will be able to control anything, anymore than you have control over your Waking World."? You can fly can't you? The only limit is your imagination, don't be thinking that you can't control anything more than reality, there would be no excitment over it would there?

I hope I misunderstood, maybe you were trying to describe how little you can do when you first learn?

Originally Posted by really

The only limit is your imagination
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this is how effective has been the lies and propaganda about Lucid Dreaming, that even after people write in and complain that in actual practice, nothing works, that the Lies are reasserted to disprove the Actual Experience.

NO, one cannot do anything one imagines in a dream. If one has mastered Dream Flying, then one can fly, but only to a point, as it depends on having certain energies available from within the Dream. One can imagine certain dream characters changing or disappearing, or just going away, but that does not mean they will. One may imagine talking to God, but this may not change any of God's plans at all, and we may be left at whatever lower Spiritual Realm we as yet occupy.

In short, Dreams are Real and have a good measure of the fixity and continuity of other real venues... yes, with a bit more variability and some more options than we have in the Waking World, but nonetheless there is a degree of objectivity in these Subjective Experiences -- some objects will simply remain fixed.

And so it is that we may find ourselves in a Dream Room filled with Dream Characters. We may leave the room. Or we may stay in the room. We might be able to effect some changes within the room, that is, apply our person dream powers to modify to some extent the objects of the room, but only within the specifications of our developed dream skills. We cannot do everything we imagine. We are still stuck with the Room and those Dream Characters. We must live in relation to that Room and its Characters much as in the Real World. We can leave, or we can stay, but we can't just blink it away.

Now, those people who do insist that they SHOULD be able to do any imaginable thing in their Dreams, while they can't say that they ever have (or don't have enough imagination so that they have run into any difficulties yet) these people are simply projecting forward their Materialist Beliefs. They see their Waking Existence as Fixed and Real. But their Subjective Experience is entirely Atheistic and Nihilisitic. No Spiritual Content. No Collective Consciousness. Subjectivity is reduced to simple Imagination. This is a Belief System. it is a Faith that they live by. It just is not true.

There is a great deal of Objectivity in our Subjective Experiences. We cannot wish it away or imagine that it is not there.

It Is.