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      I have read the WILD tutorial on this site and on many others, but I was thinking; Wouldn't it be better if someone here who CAN succesfully WILD Explained how he/she pulled it off? Kind of Keeping a Log of what happens as they pass into the Dream. Like;

      1)Time: 00:00
      Gone to bed, closed my eyes

      2)awaiting Hypnagogic Images while focussing on Breathing to stay aware ...etc

      3)....etc

      Just an example.You get the Idea. If someone who can WILD can try and do it one night and sort of Record what he/she actually did. And rather precisely; Write down every Sensation you felt, every Image you saw, Every noise you heard, what you were doing to stay focus and not get distracted from spontanious thoughts..etc As much as you can possibly remember having done while falling asleep Consciously. And put it into an Experience like text in Chronological Order of detailed explanation of what you did, felt & experienced during the WILD-session. From just having closed your Eyes all the way untill you are completely in a Dream Consciously.

      It would really help to give people who are trying to WILD, but have yet been unsuccesfull in doing so, a better ability to Imagining how it IS possible by he Insight Succesfull WILDers can give.
      This would be more of an Experience-report type of WILD guide instead of the WILD-Tutorials now widely available online, which is more A method with the Technical approach. I think People would understand WILDing better if they read someone's succesfull WILD-experience as a sort of story of what they experienced, a report, rather then an illusive WILD-technique like the WILD tutorial on this site.

      SO Succesful WILDers. If some of you could record your WILD-session and what exactly it was you were doing in Mind while falling asleep and entering the Dream. And how it happens..

      The that would be most helpfull for many people on here I am sure.
      Please post your succesfull WILD-sessions here in as much possible detail of what you can remember whatever it was you were doing in Mind while falling asleep.
      Thanks.

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      Originally posted by blade5x
      I could try something like that, though how I WILD is slightly different then how most people do it.

      I don't actually stay fully aware/concious - I let my mind my drift, but I don't let it go to far. Every once in a while I'll bring myself back fully and see my progress of how far into the WILD I am, and if I repeated 2-3 times, I'll eventually feel SP hit. Though doing this does involve a much greater risk of losing conciousness completely, but I'm not the type who can fall asleep focused.

      It's usually like

      1 - Lay down
      2 - Wait for the initial HI and sounds
      3 - Once I've got these, I'll start thinking about something, a place, a memory, anything to keep my mind occupied and not focused on the physical world around me.
      4 - Wait for the HI to get pretty heavy - this happens when your brain takes over and actually switches what you are thinking about 95% of the time, there's no effort here, no thought, everthing is pretty much auto-played by your brain.
      5 - Let my mind drift off into this brain controlled HI, hopefully not to far into the area of unconciousness.
      6 - "Snap out" of the HI, check my status - usually I will feel pretty heavy, eye-lids do not want to open anymore - this is good, I am not in SP yet, but I am getting close.
      7 - Lay down, and await HI again which will happen almost immediatly
      8 - Let my mind drift off again
      9 - [repeat 6-8 if needed]
      10 - Eventually while my mind is drifting during one of the HIs, I will feel SP begin - it's so noticeable even if you are only slightly concious - sometimes it may even wake your mind up and bring you back to concious. Symtoms may include a "collapsing into the self feeling", or "fall through the bed feeling" with the movie-like visual HI abruptly ending. I'll see scattered traces of color, and slowly fall toward "The Void".
      10(optional) - You can actually focus on the SP to make yourself enter the state faster. You won't mess it up as long you can control your emotions.
      11 - Once in SP, I'll be in a a black void that sort of feels like I am inside of myself, or inside of my own physical head with inifite depth in every direction. I've gotten amazing hallucinations before. The way to do this is, is to try and open your physical eyes. I guess for me it's just an automatic response because I usually always see my physical room at some point during SP. My mind sometimes, not always, will give me some pretty cool hallucinations to mix in room. Once in my covers were moving like ocean waves, anothertime my wall turned into a black/purple grid, and a hole opened up and I saw some stars, then I saw my living room on the other side of it. I usually always have auditory hallucinations. Sometimes booming noises, something creepy ones, sometimes people talking, etc.
      12 - Sometimes, I will begin to feel vibrations, when I do, when they get very powerful, I will try to imagine myself rolling over. It then feels like I roll off my bed, and end up somewhere in my room and my LD/OBE/WILD begins

      Step 6 might be difficult the first few times, but eventually you sort of just develope a thing for it

      I'll give it ago for more detailed information, but I don't know how much I'll remember from my flucuating/altered areas of conscience.
      okay able minded WILDers. please help me List more of these type of WILD-guides.

      Okay another helpfull one that was posted in a seperate topic, posted also by blade5xI, Copied&Pasted here because it was what I was looking for:
      Originally posted by blade5x
      This is due to request, I've gotten a few PMs requesting that I post a step-by-step method on how to do a WILD. So, I will try to go in detail the best I could about how I achieve them This might be a long read, and you might see that how I do, is slightly different then how a lot of others around here do it. Sorry if it confused the hell out of you, I'm doing my best to explain my personal methods here.

      1. I'm sure by now you all know this. You should all sleep atleast 4-5 hours before attempting to do a WILD. The best times to try it are when your room is dark... pretty much as long as no sunlight is shining into your room, those are optimal conditions for a WILD. The darkness just makes me more sleepy and drousy. I've pulled off a few WILDs at like 10AM before with the sunlight blazing into my room, but these are really not worth the effort it takes to achieve.
      2. So your alarm, or cell phone, or whatever goes off to wake you up. Now here are a few different things you could try that I have personally tried and have had success with.
      -MILD-WILD If you wake up, and you remember what you just dreamt about, just lay there. Get comfortable, and start thinking about what you just dreamt about. It's pretty amazing how quickly your mind will take over (or retake) what is going inside of your head. This sort of sounds like MILD, generally it is. You may even completely skip over Sleep Paralysis and enter the dream. I've had dreams begin with me attempting WILDs... pretty cool and wierd since sometimes you may not even notice the transition even though it seemed like you were fully concious the whole time
      -Using Your "Hidden Observer" You wake from a deep sleep. You might have been dreaming, you might not. Either way, the only thing that should matter right now is you want to go back to sleep. A lot of people may get excited just thinking about attempting the WILD, and just make it harder on themselves to get back to sleep. I know it's hard to do for beginners, but you could always try attempting the WILD with low expectations to keep your excitement down. Sort of think yo yourself... "well I'm probably going to fail anyway, so what's there to get all excited about?" Anyway, get comfortable, any position works. Lay down, and think about something that will keep your mind busy while your body falls asleep. I don't believe in the breathe counting method... because in my opinion, it puts to much focus on the physical body, and that it was you are trying to separate yourself from - but if the breathing method works, by all means keep doing it. I personally think of some kind of fantasy (try to avoid sexual fantasies, they will over-excite you), or a good memory. Now this is may sound hard, and yes it is, it takes time to get used to: Have you ever daydreamed or zoned out before in class? Yes I bet you have, I do so frequently when the subject is boring. What I bet none of you ever really think about is... how even though you were kind of off in your own little world, you still at the same time had some focus, be it very little, on the real world around you. For example, you may have been thinking about last night's baseball game, but afterward, if you think about it - you remember seeing the teacher writing something on the board, you remember seeing him walk back and worth - these very faint details are picked up by what is called "your hidden observer". It's simply a split focus, which is very normal to have. I'm not going to go into further detail about this right now, but what I can say is, you can use this hidden observer to help you along with a WILD. How? - Well go back to thinking about your fantasy or memory while trying to WILD. You will notice that your mind will drift off. Isn't that what you want to avoid? Well for most people... yes, however, if you can train your hidden observer to catch signs of progression to sleep paralysis, you can use it to bring yourself back to waking conciousness when the time is right. So, below is my most frequently used method, step-by-step.


      1. Lay down, get myself comfortable and warm.
      2. Think about a fantasy or memory to allow my mind to drift.
      3. Now, while drifting off, it is ok to check on your status once in a while. Much like when daydreaming in class, you may come back to reality for a few seconds to see how much you missed or what everyone else is doing before zoneing out again. That's ok when attempting WILD, I do this myself. However, it's not something that should be abused or you'll never get anywhere. While most of my focus is out there in the thought, there is still that very small split amount observing myself, waiting for something noticeable to happen so I can be called back to waking conciousness. These noticeable things may include a sense of heaviness, tingling, the brain changing my original thoughts by itself - this is a huge one, and the onset of sleep-paralysis, another huge one. Brain changing my thoughts? Next time you go to sleep, think about something, and you'll notice if you coming back to waking conciousness after a while, that your mind has most likely changed your original thought completely. Rarely does what I start to originally fantasize or think about stick the entire way through - actually it never has. What does this mean? Well, think about it, your brain is starting to form images, sounds, and scenes in your head on it's own. This means you are getting very,very close to your dream state, or atleast sleep paralysis.
      4. So, you've periodically checked up upon yourself. One time you you noticed you felt a lot more tired. Another time you noticed the imagery was starting to get pretty heavy in your head. It's ok to come out of it and analyze this. Why? For practice, and it really does not take long to get back to where you left off when resuming your WILD attempt. Now, I know it sounds like I am contradicting myself with everything I've said before about the letting the mind drift off - how can you keep checking up on yourself - that is what the "hidden observer" is for. I know this may sound a bit lucidcrous, but with practice, it starts to come more naturally overtime. I would expect the first few times to lose conciousness, or to be focused on what is happening around you.
      5. Entering sleep paralysis is a crazy feeling. You'll be somewhere off happily in heavy HI, when all of a sudden you sort of feel like you collapse into yourself (transition) or notice that you feel light and fuzzy (already in sleep paralysis). If you feel like you are collapsing into yourself, it is ok to come back to full conciousness and maintain it, as long as you do not get overly excited. Actually... once this starts, there's almost no stopping it unless you physically try to battle your way out of it. That is why people who get freaked out - intense emotions - do not leave sleep paralysis right away. You will know when you are completely in sp when the chaotic transition comes to end, and you kind of feel like you are floating around in a black void, hearing and possibly seeing random things, while you are unable to move your body at all.
      6. Did you freak out and wake up? No problem! Try your best not to move when waking up, or laying back immediatly, the great thing is, you will fall back into sp in moments! I've done this four or five times in a row before - when I would occasionally get scared, come out of it for a second or two, and go back in hoping for a less fearful experience. After a while you get used to it, and the fear comes much less.
      7. Beginning your dream or OBE. You can either sit there and do nothing and wait (not recommend by me), try to think of a scene you want to be at (try to create it in the black void you are in), or try to imagine yourself rolling, and soon you'll see the edge of your bed and land on the floor or float to some spot in your room. If you are afraid of OBEs, or if it against your religion - I do not recommend this, because some of these are freakishly realistic. (though I do believe LDs and OBEs are the same thing - a dream).

      Ok everyone, that's enough for now, I'll update this post tomorrow with more things I have tried before, but right now I've got a mid-term in 8 hours (need to sleep atleast 6 hours), so I have to go study now! And remember, failed WILDs greatly increase the chances of a DILD! About 1/4 my DILDs came from failed WILDs .
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      I've considered doing this. In fact, at one time I was even going to make a sort of animated tutorial. I might still...

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      SKA, this is a great idea. I, for one, would really appreciate reading some more specific information on WILDing - in particular how to stabilise the dream once you are through the transition. I also sometimes have the wierd problem of being able to move my dream arms and legs away from the physical body, but try as I might, I can't lift the rest of me out. (it would probably be quite funny to watch me trying to do this)

      So how about it Aquanina (and anyone else)? You don't have to animate it at this stage, just written would be great!

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      BillyBob 001 wrote a really good tutorial on WILDing and is supposed to be quite good at it. Maybe you could PM him a request. That's just my two cents.
      Random Quote: "You can only make things so fool-proof. Eventually, you have to eliminate the fools." -???

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      Quote Originally Posted by towarmforacoat View Post
      BillyBob 001 wrote a really good tutorial on WILDing and is supposed to be quite good at it. Maybe you could PM him a request. That's just my two cents.
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      Yeah I'll PM him and send him the Link of this Topic. If he can WILD at will and he's willing to do this than that would be very helpfull. Perhaps later on as there are some more ''Experience accounts'' of Succesful WILDs by people who are able to, I will Copy&Paste all the Experience reports into my First post in Quote windows. Gives a better oversight.
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Yea, would be great to read more than "go to bed, relax, and dream" :S
      I guess I'm quite close
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      I could try something like that, though how I WILD is slightly different then how most people do it.

      I don&#39;t actually stay fully aware/concious - I let my mind my drift, but I don&#39;t let it go to far. Every once in a while I&#39;ll bring myself back fully and see my progress of how far into the WILD I am, and if I repeated 2-3 times, I&#39;ll eventually feel SP hit. Though doing this does involve a much greater risk of losing conciousness completely, but I&#39;m not the type who can fall asleep focused.

      It&#39;s usually like

      1 - Lay down
      2 - Wait for the initial HI and sounds
      3 - Once I&#39;ve got these, I&#39;ll start thinking about something, a place, a memory, anything to keep my mind occupied and not focused on the physical world around me.
      4 - Wait for the HI to get pretty heavy - this happens when your brain takes over and actually switches what you are thinking about 95% of the time, there&#39;s no effort here, no thought, everthing is pretty much auto-played by your brain.
      5 - Let my mind drift off into this brain controlled HI, hopefully not to far into the area of unconciousness.
      6 - "Snap out" of the HI, check my status - usually I will feel pretty heavy, eye-lids do not want to open anymore - this is good, I am not in SP yet, but I am getting close.
      7 - Lay down, and await HI again which will happen almost immediatly
      8 - Let my mind drift off again
      9 - [repeat 6-8 if needed]
      10 - Eventually while my mind is drifting during one of the HIs, I will feel SP begin - it&#39;s so noticeable even if you are only slightly concious - sometimes it may even wake your mind up and bring you back to concious. Symtoms may include a "collapsing into the self feeling", or "fall through the bed feeling" with the movie-like visual HI abruptly ending. I&#39;ll see scattered traces of color, and slowly fall toward "The Void".
      10(optional) - You can actually focus on the SP to make yourself enter the state faster. You won&#39;t mess it up as long you can control your emotions.
      11 - Once in SP, I&#39;ll be in a a black void that sort of feels like I am inside of myself, or inside of my own physical head with inifite depth in every direction. I&#39;ve gotten amazing hallucinations before. The way to do this is, is to try and open your physical eyes. I guess for me it&#39;s just an automatic response because I usually always see my physical room at some point during SP. My mind sometimes, not always, will give me some pretty cool hallucinations to mix in room. Once in my covers were moving like ocean waves, anothertime my wall turned into a black/purple grid, and a hole opened up and I saw some stars, then I saw my living room on the other side of it. I usually always have auditory hallucinations. Sometimes booming noises, something creepy ones, sometimes people talking, etc.
      12 - Sometimes, I will begin to feel vibrations, when I do, when they get very powerful, I will try to imagine myself rolling over. It then feels like I roll off my bed, and end up somewhere in my room and my LD/OBE/WILD begins

      Step 6 might be difficult the first few times, but eventually you sort of just develope a thing for it

      I&#39;ll give it ago for more detailed information, but I don&#39;t know how much I&#39;ll remember from my flucuating/altered areas of conscience.

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      wow. nice LD count. I&#39;m looking for personal experiences as well,
      although I know what you mean about forgetting what happens.

      Do you do this with WBTB?

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      Quote Originally Posted by eggbert View Post
      wow. nice LD count. I&#39;m looking for personal experiences as well,
      although I know what you mean about forgetting what happens.

      Do you do this with WBTB?
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      Yeah, WBTB. Timing varies. Sometimes I&#39;ll wake up, barely move and attempt the WILD. Sometimes I&#39;ll wake up at 7:00AM, got to class, come back at 9:30AM, got to sleep and attempt it. 3 hours of being awake is pretty much my limit (with only 5 hours or less of sleep, anything more and forget it).

      I find staying awake for one hour the easiest on my mind to pull off a successful WILD.

      Waking up immediatly and going back to sleep tends to produce more failure then success because I usually end up losing conciousness before I even hit step 3 or 4. One hour - my body will start to get tired again, while my mind is still awake enough. But my process is the same no matter what time I try it.

      I can remember the WILD if write down what happened within 20-30 minutes of it happening. After that I&#39;ll just have fragments of memory (I don&#39;t keep a DJ, I don&#39;t see any reason to right now), half of my WILDs I don&#39;t even remember anymore heh.

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      That&#39;s a good start. I have reached Intense Hypnagoggic States before, seeing Mayor Depth hallucinations in the dark of my Closed Eye Vision like Windows outlooking my garden Floating by in my left Eye&#39;s corner. I have also experienced very intense SP sensations: Like falling through the bed at high speed and seeing a white light in front of me. Perhaps 4 times I have stayed conscious that far into the Hypnagogic Pre-Dreamstate.

      Lately I have a problem with getting into a good sleeping position to sink away in. I always start on my back and as my SP is very far progressed I&#39;ll have the urge to turn onto my Left side. When I decide to do so My SP progress will be partially lost but not completely and soon it will increase again. I wonder: Is it okay to give in to this urge so I can just lie more comfortable? Or should I stay on my Back where my Body can more easily go into SP? and Ignore The urge to roll over untill I fall asleep?

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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Quote Originally Posted by SKA View Post
      That&#39;s a good start. I have reached Intense Hypnagoggic States before, seeing Mayor Depth hallucinations in the dark of my Closed Eye Vision like Windows outlooking my garden Floating by in my left Eye&#39;s corner. I have also experienced very intense SP sensations: Like falling through the bed at high speed and seeing a white light in front of me. Perhaps 4 times I have stayed conscious that far into the Hypnagogic Pre-Dreamstate.

      Lately I have a problem with getting into a good sleeping position to sink away in. I always start on my back and as my SP is very far progressed I&#39;ll have the urge to turn onto my Left side. When I decide to do so My SP progress will be partially lost but not completely and soon it will increase again. I wonder: Is it okay to give in to this urge so I can just lie more comfortable? Or should I stay on my Back where my Body can more easily go into SP? and Ignore The urge to roll over untill I fall asleep?
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      I think you are confusing SP with something else. When you are in SP, you practically cannot feel your body - so there shouldn&#39;t be any urge to change position. It&#39;s comparable to when you get wasted and and when you lay down you can&#39;t tell which side or what position you are laying in, because every position feels the same, and every position is comfortable. In SP, it&#39;s almost the same. You can&#39;t really feel what position you are in. I sometimes feel swaying sensations of jolting feelings (the jolting effect only happens when I take mid-day naps, I don&#39;t know why) before I reach SP, but the major clue for me that I am entering it is my sides literally feel like they are collapsing into myself. Once I notice that, I focus in on it, and soon I&#39;ll feel kind of light, and fuzzed, I&#39;ll try to move, I can&#39;t, and that&#39;s when I know I&#39;m in SP.

      And before I reach SP, I always change positions like once or twice, because I can never comfortable in the same position for to long. And I agree the back is the easiest to get into SP, but I find it only the easiest if you are already pretty tired and ready to crash. Maybe find comfortable positions until you get pretty close to falling asleep and then switch to your back? You will come out of your trance, but picking up where you left off will only take moments (if you are tired enough).

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      Quote Originally Posted by blade5x View Post
      I think you are confusing SP with something else. When you are in SP, you practically cannot feel your body - so there shouldn&#39;t be any urge to change position. It&#39;s comparable to when you get wasted and and when you lay down you can&#39;t tell which side or what position you are laying in, because every position feels the same, and every position is comfortable. In SP, it&#39;s almost the same. You can&#39;t really feel what position you are in. I sometimes feel swaying sensations of jolting feelings (the jolting effect only happens when I take mid-day naps, I don&#39;t know why) before I reach SP, but the major clue for me that I am entering it is my sides literally feel like they are collapsing into myself. Once I notice that, I focus in on it, and soon I&#39;ll feel kind of light, and fuzzed, I&#39;ll try to move, I can&#39;t, and that&#39;s when I know I&#39;m in SP.

      And before I reach SP, I always change positions like once or twice, because I can never comfortable in the same position for to long. And I agree the back is the easiest to get into SP, but I find it only the easiest if you are already pretty tired and ready to crash. Maybe find comfortable positions until you get pretty close to falling asleep and then switch to your back? You will come out of your trance, but picking up where you left off will only take moments (if you are tired enough).
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      I know. I experienced this with my hands and on 1 account with my entire body. I couldn&#39;t tell wether they were upside down or not, otr on the side. The falling Sensation usually follows soon after loosing &#39;&#39;touch&#39;&#39; with the body entirely.

      What I meant was: I usually can get into SP really Quick when Lying on my back. But the Thing is: before I actually get into SP, when my body is allready going pretty damn Numb, I feel the Urge to roll over to my left side. Always. However I loose all &#39;&#39;SP-progress&#39;&#39;, The numbness goes away and I have to lay in 1 position without moving to get into SP completely.
      I lie more comfortable on my Left side but have a harder time getting into SP that way. Would it be better to ignore the urge and continue lying on my back to enter SP, and hopefully sleep too, faster?

      So I&#39;m kind of puzzled about in which Sleeping Posture I should lay, without moving a muscle from thereon, to sink into SP and into sleep from that Posture.


      PS: The last 2 nights I stayed Conscious pretty long into the Hypnagogic State and I experienced Mayor hallucinations again. I saw rooms and scenes and suddenly I thought &#39;&#39;WAIT I am in bed&#33; this must the the Beginning of a Dream&#33;&#39;&#39; but then after comming to that Conclusion I passed out anywayz.( I was mentally already half in Dreamstate, yet aware&Conscious enough to &#39;&#39;snap out of it&#39;&#39;, recognise it and rember it the next morning) How close would that be to Entering the DreamState via WILD? 1/4th the way into dreamland? 1/3d? 1/2nd?
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
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      WILD-guide Topic Updated with new Step by Step guide by blade5x. Check the first post for the added Guide.
      Luminous Spacious Dream Masters That Holographically Communicate
      among other teachers taught me

      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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