Thread: Method that unlocks Vivid LD with oobe

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Download the program Brain Wave Generator and use that preset for the settings.

Last night when I became lucid I tried this (didnt use the shower etc beforehand), unfortunately I wasn't very lucid though, but I said loudly 'Im going to have an out of body experience!' and pulled my finger off my hand, I then found myself shifted to my bedroom watching myself sleep.

It was not all that vivid, I had to look at the detail on my hand to increase it a bit. This didnt last for long before I woke up. I think doing that only brought me to my room because I had read earlier that thats what it would probably do - Like b2k said I think it really does depend on what consequence your mind attaches to an event such as pulling your finger. Thinking about that being the only way into the astral plain for a while could help.

Can someone have this preset saved to an MP3 or WAV file, that is set to last 1 hour and 17 minutes?

I am not sure I believe in "astral projection", but I have OBEs from time to time when I am lucky. I will try this finger technique. Usually what I do in my lucid dream is find my body where I am sleeping; usually this makes me aware of my sleep paraysis enough to will myself to "project". At this point I am sucked through a "black hole" with a rushing sound in my ears. I end up standing over my bed and body. Usually however, it is not perfect and I still see inaccuracies about where I am or how my room is.

Nonetheless, these OBEs are the most vivid and life changing LDs I have ever had.

Originally Posted by born_2_kill

Help with a program :

1. From 4 am to 5 : 17 am keep listening to a preset called Astral Producer via BrainWave generator

i dont understand.. do you listen to this while you are sleeping? awake?

I used to believe in astral projection before I found out about lucid dreaming. It's obviously just a lucid dream where you think you are astral projecting. Have you ever tried to prove it at all?

TheFinalCut:
Last night when I became lucid I tried this (didnt use the shower etc beforehand), unfortunately I wasn't very lucid though, but I said loudly 'Im going to have an out of body experience!' and pulled my finger off my hand, I then found myself shifted to my bedroom watching myself sleep.

It was not all that vivid, I had to look at the detail on my hand to increase it a bit. This didnt last for long before I woke up. I think doing that only brought me to my room because I had read earlier that thats what it would probably do - Like b2k said I think it really does depend on what consequence your mind attaches to an event such as pulling your finger. Thinking about that being the only way into the astral plain for a while could help.

I would explain you in detail what you experienced but unfortunately i cannot make it simple.

Never:
I am not sure I believe in "astral projection", but I have OBEs from time to time when I am lucky. I will try this finger technique. Usually what I do in my lucid dream is find my body where I am sleeping; usually this makes me aware of my sleep paraysis enough to will myself to "project". At this point I am sucked through a "black hole" with a rushing sound in my ears. I end up standing over my bed and body. Usually however, it is not perfect and I still see inaccuracies about where I am or how my room is.

Nonetheless, these OBEs are the most vivid and life changing LDs I have ever had.

That black hole and the noise are the signs of Astral Projection.
You succeeded in it. From that point on forget about your body and explore the world

Again, Can someone have this preset saved to an MP3 or WAV file, that is set to last 1 hour and 17 minutes?

Double: Never mind, I got it. Should this be listened too while asleep or awake? Does it matter if your doing something (ie. computer) or should you be lying down or something?

What is astral projection? It sounds like you're just dismembering your finger in your LD.

Omfg.

All this so called "method" of inducing LDs is, is a way to placebo yourself up to have a lucid.
The fact that you will have a lucid has nothing to do with your having listened to an mp3, or that you took a shower or some other BS...

The only reason your method induces LDs is because you expect it to. The act of showering creates a placebo effect that causes you to believe you have a better chance at having a lucid dream (and since lucid dreams are all in your head anyway, you have one.)


Rather than try to fool yourselves with some idiotic ritual, why not just realize that anyone can have DILDs on any night they choose just by believing with all their heart and mind they will.

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About the "pull your finger off for OBE":

Wtf?
Your in a lucid dream. This means that whatever you tell yourself is going to happen, will in fact happen.

If I were to somehow get myself to believe that every time I said "yarr" in my dreams I would grow a new leg then guess what?


Its a dream. Absolutely anything can be mimicked without any mental effort whatsoever

Actually, Billybob, the mp3 in question is for the brainwave generator, which can increase chances of an LD by tricking the brain. The BWGen will play a certain frequency in one ear, and a certain frequency in the other, causing the brain to mimic a certain frequency.

Our brains operate on many frequencies, and are actually, directly related to awareness and drowsiness. I don't know the exact ranges but, a certain frequency can trick the brain into causing the body to become sleepy helping you drift into a sleep. Once in this sleep, if it switches to a more aware frequency, bam, heightened LD chances.

Now, these brainwave mp3s do work. I'm not sure how this one works, though it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

Not to mention, even if it was a placebo, congratulations. You just ruined it for many people. Who gives a crap if its a placebo if it works? If it was a placebo, what might of worked for some people, you just entirely ruined. Congratulations.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Actually, Billybob, the mp3 in question is for the brainwave generator, which can increase chances of an LD by tricking the brain. The BWGen will play a certain frequency in one ear, and a certain frequency in the other, causing the brain to mimic a certain frequency.

Our brains operate on many frequencies, and are actually, directly related to awareness and drowsiness. I don't know the exact ranges but, a certain frequency can trick the brain into causing the body to become sleepy helping you drift into a sleep. Once in this sleep, if it switches to a more aware frequency, bam, heightened LD chances.

Now, these brainwave mp3s do work. I'm not sure how this one works, though it wouldn't be hard to figure out.

Brainwave generators have never been proven to effect your brainwave patterns
Please, do link me to a scientific study that shows irrefutable evidence (not "subject felt more alert!" as this could easily be placebo) of the BWGens effectiveness

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Not to mention, even if it was a placebo, congratulations. You just ruined it for many people. Who gives a crap if its a placebo if it works? If it was a placebo, what might of worked for some people, you just entirely ruined. Congratulations.

Well you know, we could just let everyone believe whatever they want. Just tell them all that if they sleep with a rock under they're pillow they'll get "Instant lucids!" or something.

Or we could do what this website was designed for: Show people the most basic principles behind being able to LD. Equip them with the knowledge they need to make they're own lucid dreaming techniques and methods so when the placebo dries up they'll have real knowledge to fall back on.


If you want to go around spreading complete nonsense then thats fine, but I'm not going to sit around and let a bunch of logically minded people judge us all just because some moron was telling them to shower before bed for instant LDs

Does the point of the shower go right over your head? The point is to give the person a more alert state after readying their mind with the BWGen. Similar to a WBTB, where the person gets up and does things in their day waking themselves and their mind up before returning to bed.

As explained on BWgen, should you of cared to read and seen that they have done the research,

If the left ear is presented with a steady tone of 500Hz and the right ear a steady tone of 510Hz, these two tones combine in the brain. The difference, 10Hz, is perceived by the brain and is a very effective stimulus for brainwave entrainment. This 10Hz is formed entirely by the brain. When using stereo headphones, the left and right sounds do not mix together until in your brain. The frequency difference, when perceived by brain this way, is called a binaural beat.

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Your right I didn't even really read his LD induction method


I read his pull your finger off thing and got confused with his typing of the 5:17AM (thinking it was pm for some reason)

I admit that the induction method is indeed a sound variation of WBTB (though I don't agree with the brainwave entrainment at all) and deserves its own topic.
However I think the AP part should be in beyond dreaming. (Or better, deleted)


Sorry about that

Way to go Billybob

For those who don't own BWgen you can download this mp3 format Astral Producer which i converted.

Download :
http://rapidshare.com/files/43882836...l_Producer.mp3

So sad that so many people don't have the ability nowadays to argue without being an asshole about it. So dissapointing.

Never said:

I am not sure I believe in "astral projection", but I have OBEs from time to time when I am lucky.

That's sort of like saying "I'm not sure I believe in sleep, but I take naps from time to time".

Astral projection is an OBE. There are 3 types of OBE- astral projection, etheric projection, and NDE (near-death experience). From your description, it looks like you did AP. You described what many people experience during an exit. Good job

I've got no problem with skeptics. To the contrary, I give all the respect in the world to skeptics, and I can't blame them at all for not believing something about which there is very little or no sturdy evidence. But that does not mean you have to insult those who do believe in said things. It's immature, and completely unnecessary. It's almost like you're offended by people who believe in things you don't. Why? No one has insulted any of you in the name of astral projection. Haha. I'm sure many of you have religious beliefs. Why believe in a god? You can't prove that one can you? Not scientifically at least.

Anyway, back on topic, I listened to this, and had one of my weird semi-lucid dreams, which are way harder to control. I forgot to try the AP. From a lucid dream, I find that it's easier to AP if you just have the intent to do so, and then try to become aware of your sleeping body, and use an exit technique. Or you can just have the intent to AP and fly straight up into the air as fast as you can. I've never tried that one, but I hear it works.

The finger separating thing...idunno. That just doesn't seem like it would induce an AP. But I guess it could, i've never tried it. If this technique fully works for me, I"ll give it a wirl.

No, Rainman. Some people believe you can have an out of body experience, but don't believe in the Astral Plane or Astral Projection. Some people don't believe there is anything mystic to it, such as AP.

What he said was perfectly logical, and fits a rather large number of people here on DV.

Second, how the HELL was he insulting anyone or anything? How was he being an asshole?

^ Exactly.

An OBE is only an out-of-body experience that can be interpreted many ways; the only definition is that it feels like you have left your body. The reason why I doubt these as AP are mainly because even though OBEs are very vivid and convincing, they still follow the same laws as LDs. Unless I can repeatedly come up with real time evidence of actual travel of some sort, I cannot jump to any conclusions other than what logic and my heart tells me.

I have had only one real time experience when I was younger, and it was actually during a normal dream that I saw something happening in real time. This is still not enough to draw such conclusions. The mind is quite a mystery. Sure, there may be people who have enough personal evidence to believe in AP, and I think that is great. I have to admit that it is a beautiful idea whether it be true or not.

I tried the finger pulling thing in a LD I had. What happened was It pulled me out of the dream to blackness and it felt like I was pushing myself up from the bed, it felt really real so real that I thought I really woke up so I went back to sleep. But it happened in my old bedroom so it was like a false awakaning but a very realistic one I felt everything.