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      Adam's Guide to Attaining Lucidity

      NEW: Adam's guide to attaining lucidity.

      The Theory


      Right, this is an adaptation of the above technique, which people might still have some joy with, hence still leaving it there but I found my lucid dreams were not frequent enough and still relied on me staying still, and relying on an element of DILD too much, which whilst it is good for frequent lucid dreamers, it does not give you that guarantee that you will have a lucid dream.

      This is not rocket science, neither is it complicated. In fact it is very simple, and I am pretty sure you all will think it’s nothing new – But it works for me! So far 100% success rate over the 3 nights I tried it! So if it can help you, and bring back the confidence, get you out of a dry spell, or give you your first lucid dream then great!!!

      I have trialled this new, improved technique for 3 days now, noticing an increase in the frequency of lucid dreams, vividness of normal dreams and almost an LD at will attitude has been installed, which is great for lucid dreaming. If you can get this positive ‘can do’ attitude that’s almost 50% of the job done!

      My new technique, takes elements from the WILD technique, so includes WBTB and also includes some MILD/DEILD and DILD. I will stress that I have adapted this for me, and works with my body clock, so you may need to change slightly for yourself, I will try help here if you want to discuss tailoring for your needs. But based on the key points below, you should be able to achieve what I have.

      I am of the belief that the quicker you slip back into a dream from waking the more chance you will have of inducing a lucid dream. With the WILD technique you are advised to stay up for around 30 minutes, which varies depending on the guide. WBTB typically is around the same time, if not longer sometimes up to an hour. As for DEILD you don’t really need to wake and get out of bed, you just try fall back to sleep as soon as you notice you are awake. MILD can be done at any point when awake, either before going to sleep or as part of a WBTB/WILD. And DILD is just naturally inducing lucid dreaming whilst sleeping. My technique includes all of these and squished into one full technique, which is why I think I have had so much success. Because if the WILD part fails, you can be pretty sure the DILD will kick in. With the help from MILD. (Damn this is getting complicated now, back to simple stuff).

      It is an easy technique, you don’t have to be an LD master, good at WILDs or even attempted lucid dreaming before, you just need to have faith, and confidence and I am sure good things will happen. I am not claiming to have reinvented the wheel, more turned the wheel from round to spherical. I have added a new dynamic approach to existing techniques.

      Anyway, enough of my talk lets move onto the good stuff!

      The Technique
      The important stuff: Okay I ask you have a regular sleep pattern getting plenty of sleep, and by plenty I mean between 7 and 8 hours a night. I will try best to explain the steps I take each night when trying this out! Also any bad attitude towards lucid dreaming, or lack of confidence, or an “I can’t” attitude stops at the door, now take off your shoes, and enter with a smile and know you ARE going to lucid dream, here goes!

      I get to bed between 10:30pm and 11pm. This gives me around 5 and half hours sleep. I set my alarm for 4:30 am. I don’t do anything when going to sleep, no MILD or anything. I don’t really even think about lucid dreaming, except for the fact that I know, I will be lucid dreaming in no time. I just go to bed to sleep. I leave my PC running too.

      Points to consider: Your longest REM period is in the morning, after about 5-6 hours sleep; this is where you have your most success. I get up just after 5 hours sleep, but don’t get up any sooner than that.

      Get up at 4:30 when the alarm goes off, put on my large smile because I know in less than 30 minutes I will be lucid dreaming, jump onto dream views, read a couple of posts, send the odd sleepy PM, and spend about 5/10 minutes on there MAX. I then take a toilet break get some water and go back to the pc and look at and think about my dream scene (see dream scenes below) and get into bed. Important I am not up for more than 15 minutes!!! I try keep this to 10 though where possible. I like to make sure my eyes are exposed to the light too, enough to wake me.

      Points to consider: You need to be awake, but not so much so that you cannot get back to sleep easily. You need to find the right balance which works for you. You might not get it right first time, so I would say take 5/7 minutes first off, and then if this doesn’t work extend or reduce this time that you are awake.

      There is not set way for you to lye when going back to sleep, just however you are comfortable, I sleep almost like the recovery position, because that for me is the most comfortable way to sleep.

      Points to consider: You might be too awake here, but don’t worry about it. You will be asleep sooner than you think. Just make sure you are comfortable, the room is dark, and you are feeling happy and confident, about your successful lucid dreams!

      This is the tricky part. Having been up and about you need to fall back to sleep as soon as you can. Your body will be tired and ready to rest some more, and since you have only been up for a few minutes your mind will be active enough and your body tired. The exposure to bright light and DV forum should impose enough thoughts in your head to get you going along with the thoughts of your dream scene.

      What I try here is a MILD/WILD combo. I keep my eyes shut, my body still, and think about dream scenarios and my dream scene, I let my mind work on the scenery on its own, like it would in a lucid dream but I take control of where I go if that makes sense. So I almost ‘pretend’ I am lucid really. Thinking to myself “when I am sleeping, I will know it and I will be doing this” Think about the dream you want to be having, because when we become lucid to begin with our mind puts us where it wants us to be, whether that is in a forest, city, or anywhere. Of course when we are lucid we can change this.

      What you need to do now is almost let your dream become more real and this is where the WILD part comes in – you need to get into the transitional period from pretending you are dreaming to actually dreaming. Some people may experience hypnotic images or sounds, some people may experience sleep paralysis, this is normal, but won’t always happen, at least didn’t always for me. Sometimes I would just wake up in the dream being lucid right away! Other times I would fall to sleep, then become lucid during the dream after remembering I had only just gone back to sleep so must be dreaming now.

      It is all about getting the messages in your brain whilst you are awake enough to do so, but sleepy enough to get to sleep quick enough to remember them.

      Remember be confident you are going to LD, keep repeating to yourself in your head that you will remember you are dreaming, and that you just went back to bed – you will get into the dream. Remembering your scene you selected, and whether you get right into a dream from going to bed (WILD). Or you realise shortly after falling back to sleep that you must be dreaming because you just went back to sleep (DEILD/DILD) you will have success. I think that’s why this works so well for me, because if my WILD attempt fails, I can rely on my subconscious to remember that I need to realise I am dreaming.

      That’s pretty much it, simple eh? Nothing new, no rocked science involved. But so far the results personally for me speak for them self! I was rubbish at wild, and my DEILD/DILDs were not frequent enough for me. Maybe it is just the reaffirmation of lucid dreaming and the confidence that I will lucid dream which is making them happen so often? I don’t know, all I know is this works great for me, so hope it does for you too!

      Key points to remember:

      -Positive attitude! This IS going to work for you!
      -Regular sleep pattern
      -Don’t stay up too long!
      -Don’t get up too early, aim for 5 and a half to 6 hours sleep before waking.
      -Enjoy you lucid dreams!

      Dream Scenes:

      This is just another easy way to implant thoughts into your head about sceneries and creating this image for you to pretend to lucid dream. It helps embed this lucid message in your subconscious – You can create your own dream scenes to use, but here are a couple of mine.

      Beach: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7183/beachzz1.jpg

      City: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/166/cityua1.jpg

      Park: http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/6370/parkma3.jpg

      Forest: http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8821/forestcb2.jpg

      Okay, so this is the end...

      Good luck and I hope this works for you. You might not slip right into the dream you were thinking about before you sleep, but this method has been perfect for me and am very happy with the results.

      Happy to answer any questions you might have.

      Adam.

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      I have also left this here for people who have trouble with WBTB and getting back to sleep.

      Adam's guide to the DEILD technique

      Hey guys, I have been wanting to post this for a while but been testing it on myself first for a few mornings, with mixed results so wanted to share with you and maybe with your help and experience we can adapt this to make it work better for others. Its something I used to do quite a bit - before even knowing it was called the DEILD technique. Anyway, this is my take on it and the steps I do to achieve lucidity.

      The Theory

      Okay, when ever I have achieved multiple lucid dreams, I tend to find I am always lying on my back, in fact most of my lucid dreams are when I am on my back. Also, they almost always seem to be in the morning, not half way through the night, added to this, my recall is at its best in the morning when I am in my longer REM cycle. So this got me thinking about induction techniques.

      The WILD works by staying awake for 30 minutes or so then slipping back into sleep. I think this is too long and for me, is a hard technique to master, and often you can loose your motivation when you are lying for 30/40 minutes and still not achieve it.

      I am of the belief that the quicker you slip back into a dream from waking the more chance you will have of inducing a lucid dream so I propose this technique for people to try and report back on with their results.

      This will be going into a mini guide I am putting together but this technique I want to test first before I complete the guide so you guys are my guinea pigs :p

      The DEILD Technique

      The idea is that, when you very first awake in the mornings do your very best not to open your eyes, neither should you move at all. Keep the thoughts of your dream you have just awoken from fresh in your mind and slowly roll onto your back. Most people will find lying on their back to sleep quite uncomfortable, but since you only just awoke you should be okay falling right back to sleep.

      So you have rolled onto your back and keep the images and memories of the last dream you had in your mind and think about what you would have done if you became lucid and carry the dream on in your thoughts from the point you woke up and imagine what you would have done if you stayed sleeping and were lucid. So as you are doing this you will in some occasions notice that your mind will wander from the dream scenario, and as long as it is not thoughts of what you are going to have for breakfast or your day ahead just go with them, don't fight it as this will only make you more awake. So what ever your mind tries to do just go with it, but keep the thoughts of what you would do if you were in control of this.

      You should find you fall asleep pretty quickly, I normally manage to do this within a minute of waking up. And with mixed success has become lucid. Please give this a try and let me know what your results are.

      (Pre)Requisites

      Okay there are a few things you need to consider before trying this, these might change based on your successes but for me the following I have found is important.

      - Make sure you have a regular sleep pattern! So sleeping 11pm till 8am or something, try to make this regular, I know some people have work, and other commitments, but if you can keep a regular sleep pattern of what works for you. Try not to get too tired, as I find my lucid dreams are better after a lot of rest and within light sleep.

      - Don't use an alarm! Its important that you only wake up when you body tells you to wake up. So for me I usually have to be up at 7am for work. If I make sure I get at least 8 hours sleep that gives me the opportunity when I awaken early enough to try this. So when you first naturally wake up, try remain as still as possible with your eyes shut thinking about the dream only.


      - Follow your mind! When you are first awake, your mind will be fresh with the dream you awoken from, don't fight these thoughts and think about getting up, instead keep them fresh, and keep with them, and carry on the dream in your mind. If you mind wanders, as it invariably will, then go with it, and slip back into the dream and sleep.

      Good luck, and I hope this works for you. You might not slip right into the dream you were thinking about before you slip back into sleep, but this method has been pretty reliable to me and now I feel after trying to perfect it, getting the views and experiences of you guys trying it, maybe I can adapt it and publish a complete guide

      Thank you for your time.
      Adam.
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      Sounds cool. Im gonna try it out tommorow morning and lets hope it works! (Fingers crossed).

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      Thats a pretty awesome guide Adam! I'll add it to the FAQ since it looks really good and it all fits together! We need to talk about this more in our PM's or on MSN Nice one mate


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      I'll definately try this out tonight.

      Great guide, if it works, I'll send you a dollar over paypal xD.

      Edit: Oh hey: SBTD, Straight back to Dream.
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      It isn't like your dream recall got up in the middle of the night and thought, "Fuck him, I'm going somewhere else."

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      My problem is that when I wake up, I want to go up to take a leak.
      got an idea what I can do?
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      Quote Originally Posted by dodobird View Post
      My problem is that when I wake up, I want to go up to take a leak.
      got an idea what I can do?
      Bucket + tubing? =P

      And I use this lots of the time. I find its often best to skip back a while in dream time when doing this though. If you miss jumping straight back in (its often a narrow window) Simply relax and try to recall your dream. Whenever you get to a point you wish something else had happened or you had been lucid so you could have done something different, Concentrate on what had happened. Its quite easy to throw together a makeshift VILD like this.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dodobird View Post
      My problem is that when I wake up, I want to go up to take a leak.
      got an idea what I can do?
      Maybe set your alarm for 5am and take a pee, then when you naturally wake up at 8 or 9 you shouldn't need to go again?

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      This should work well for me, I naturally wake up around 4:30am, but that's to pee. Then after that I wake up again around 8, maybe I should try it then.

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      Isn't this the same thing as DEILD? Correct me if I'm wrong. Or at least point out the differences.

      This is the method I used for many years to perform dream control and dream "steering" by slipping beck into the dream I just awoke from. I used it on a very regular basis way before I knew anything about LDs.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaught View Post
      Isn't this the same thing as DEILD? Correct me if I'm wrong. Or at least point out the differences.

      This is the method I used for many years to perform dream control and dream "steering" by slipping beck into the dream I just awoke from. I used it on a very regular basis way before I knew anything about LDs.
      DEILD?

      Not heard of this, if so, my bad... Will have a look

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      So it is.

      But this person claims to have invented it too

      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ighlight=DEILD

      Seems quite a popular method too, can't believe I had never heard off this one....

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      Quote Originally Posted by AdamA View Post
      So it is.

      But this person claims to have invented it too

      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ighlight=DEILD

      Seems quite a popular method too, can't believe I had never heard off this one....
      Hehe. Well, the best part is that both you and I (and I'm sure many others) have discovered this method on our own, which tells me that it's a rather natural way to go about dream re-entry, dream control and lucid dream induction.

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      Indeed, and if anything this post may have opened the eyes of those who dont know about this and help with people having more lucid dreams


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      Quote Originally Posted by AdamA View Post
      Indeed, and if anything this post may have opened the eyes of those who dont know about this and help with people having more lucid dreams

      True, and that's never a bad thing.

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      Can I ask you guys a question?

      Let's say I'm trying this method tonight.....If I wake up in the middle of the night but don't recall any dream, will it still work? Cause the first time I wake up naturally during the night I have to pee and don't recall any dream.

      I only recall my dreams when I wake up in the morning.

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      Na, you'll probably have to WILD. This is for that point when you're waking up where you're still half in the dream. If you wake up abruptly AT ALL this probably won't work. All you want to do is wake up enough to realize what is reality and what isn't.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Elucive View Post
      Can I ask you guys a question?

      Let's say I'm trying this method tonight.....If I wake up in the middle of the night but don't recall any dream, will it still work? Cause the first time I wake up naturally during the night I have to pee and don't recall any dream.

      I only recall my dreams when I wake up in the morning.
      Depends when you wake up. There are 5 cycles of sleep and the REM cycle being the dream state, if you wake up in REM sleep you will have better chances of recalling the dreams.

      If you wake and need to pee, then go for it, because the morning when you wake up, there is a good chance you will be in REM sleep and have more chance of this happening

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      Tried this again this morning and had very good results You can read about it in my dream journal (link is in the sig).

      I dont know if lying on your back helps more for this, but for me, it always increases my chances of lucidity.

      Has anyone else given it a go?


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      I sometimes use a similar technique of my own that gives me frequent success (if I remember to actually do it!) I will try your instructions tonight ... or, rather, tomorrow morning ... and let you know. I love the Summer holidays, it's the high time of LDs for me.

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      Can you people pm me some of these things? I don't always have time to get on this site (or i just forget) and I really want to hear about new, easier techniques and possibly some interesting ld's. Thank's much!!!

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      Yeah this technique is the same thing as MILD (Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream), although here are some helpful tips that apply that you may not have tried:

      Stare at the spot between your eyebrows or somewhere near there that is comfortable. It helps.

      Repeat your intent OVER AND OVER in your mind. "I am dreaming. This is a dream. The next scene will be a dream" etc.

      This is the only meathod that consistently works for me, but it never seems like it is going to work. It seems like I have been trying forever, and then BAM, I'm in. Lucid as can be.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Leerafel View Post
      Yeah this technique is the same thing as MILD (Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream), although here are some helpful tips that apply that you may not have tried:

      Stare at the spot between your eyebrows or somewhere near there that is comfortable. It helps.

      Repeat your intent OVER AND OVER in your mind. "I am dreaming. This is a dream. The next scene will be a dream" etc.

      This is the only meathod that consistently works for me, but it never seems like it is going to work. It seems like I have been trying forever, and then BAM, I'm in. Lucid as can be.
      Sounds like a combo of CILD (Chakra Induced Lucid Dream) and MILD. For the DEILD to work with me, I don't really MILD at all. I mean this takes away the focus of slipping right back into the dream and carrying on. If I think of anything different, like repeating my intent by saying in my mind I will LD I loose focus.

      But this will not work for everyone, and people have different successes. I am glad you have something that works for you

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      I've done this before aswell. It usually garuntees[?] a lucid dream, but in a twilight state, atleast for me. Not necassarily a full WILD.
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      Good guide! Much like DEILD which is the only way i achieved a lucid dream and i discovered on my own but never thought that it was a technique or that it had already been discovered!
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      well done, I like it how this is simple and easy to remember.I think I'll be trying this tonight.
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