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Thnx ALOT for the tips on keeping your eyes still. I find that that is my biggest problem. Alot of people seem to have trouble with the swallowing thing but not me i drewl alot though

First attempt proved fruitless, plus I got that wave of uncomfortableness (I know, not a word) 3 times in a row, it was not pleasant...

I actually went close to SP when I fell asleep, but then I awoke and I WAS in SP. Unfortunately, I couldn't delve back into my dreams. And I had to get up to talk to my dad afterwards.

Originally Posted by Arch0n

First attempt proved fruitless, plus I got that wave of uncomfortableness (I know, not a word) 3 times in a row, it was not pleasant...

I actually went close to SP when I fell asleep, but then I awoke and I WAS in SP. Unfortunately, I couldn't delve back into my dreams. And I had to get up to talk to my dad afterwards.

It sounds as if you are making excellent progress Arch0n, keep at it!

Ok so I've been trying for a few nights now to do this and I'm finding it very hard to keep my mind awake. Will it still work if I'm doing something in my head to keep my mind awake? e.g Sing a song in my head. Also I'm not intentionally moving my eyes but they're moving by themselves. Would this be like swallowing, its ok if your not thinking about it?

Originally Posted by rockinred

Ok so I've been trying for a few nights now to do this and I'm finding it very hard to keep my mind awake. Will it still work if I'm doing something in my head to keep my mind awake? e.g Sing a song in my head. Also I'm not intentionally moving my eyes but they're moving by themselves. Would this be like swallowing, its ok if your not thinking about it?

Doing simple things to keep your mind awake is recommended. As far as your eyes moving uncontrollably...I'm not sure that is entirely possible unless you have some sort of medical condition.

i tried this technique so many times, but all i get is the tinglly sensation. My leg gets really heavy. I i don't know you mean by a wave.

I tried it last time and it felt like i was melting into the bed ( also heard a high frequency sound for a second ). Then it kept on repeating it self.

Awesomeness. Thanks!

Originally Posted by rockinred

Ok so I've been trying for a few nights now to do this and I'm finding it very hard to keep my mind awake. Will it still work if I'm doing something in my head to keep my mind awake? e.g Sing a song in my head. Also I'm not intentionally moving my eyes but they're moving by themselves. Would his be like swallowing, its ok if your not thinking about it?

I'm not sure whether this goes for everyone, but I find it very easy to stay awake with a little bit of music on (mp3 player). Actually, it's almost impossible for my mind to fall asleep when there's music. It also makes the whole thing less boring and provides a distraction when needed (don't get too distracted though).

I'm not sure whether having music could hinder your WILD, but I don't think so. I haven't had a succesful one yet, but got pretty close to SP a few times and the best ones were with music on.

My own problems seam to mainly concern breathing.

For you guys who did this succesfully - do you breathe through your nose or through your mouth?

Anyway, the problem I always have is that when a 'wave' of heavyness occurs I can't seem to breathe. My chest sort of gets pressed down, breathing becomes more shallow until it stops completely - I have to stop to get some air. Any tips on this?

This technique sounds helpful. I will try it tonight.

i fell like such a retard for saying this for about the 3rd time, but what do you do with your eyes? do you keep them closed, if not how do you not blink? and how dose wild help you lucid dream? (that last question is new im just very curios. sorry for being so repetitive, im a newb i know... lol

Originally Posted by evan56780

i fell like such a retard for saying this for about the 3rd time, but what do you do with your eyes? do you keep them closed, if not how do you not blink? and how dose wild help you lucid dream? (that last question is new im just very curios. sorry for being so repetitive, im a newb i know... lol

I have researched where your eyes sit when dreaming/sleeping.
They tend to roll to an upward position.
Close your eyes and roll them upwards as high as possible, but still comfortable and the least movement. This position will minimise flutter if you hold it and relax.
I have found when awaking and semi-lucid that this is where the eyes sit.

It makes good sense to sit them there when attempting any Lucid exercises.
It simulates to your body you are asleep or ready to dream.

Originally Posted by Abra

I can't wait to hear what you have to say!

As far as swallowing, I can go for at least an hour without swallowing. Sometimes I'll swallow with no concious thought, and feel like I've somehow just screwed myself up... But does it actually matter?

Ive found that i can swallow and it messes nothing up.

If you need to swallow try it, but right after you do swallow, completely go back to being relaxed, relax your throat and completely stop thinking about your throat as well. Act completely like you didn't just swallow and nothing happened

The eyes thing is interesting. Eyes move whilst your in REM sleep.
Sufferers of SP find they can move nothing but they're eyes.

In which case is it really neccesary to try and keep your eyes from moving when your
attempting to WILD?

Opinions please?

Last night when i was trying a WILD i didnt feel the wave, although i have before, but i did hear a very high pitched constant noise which wavered almost as if it was was circling around and around my head.

Wasat?

I attempted WILD for the first time a few hours ago. After maybe 15 minutes of lying completely still, resisting every urge to move the slightest bit or swallow, I saw a little HI (some guy saying something, I forget) and light patterns and felt a sort of slow buzz (not really a "wave") come over mostly my lower body, along with this feeling of a huge weight on my chest and stomach area... then some loud car drove by outside and I got distracted.

Thanks Jeff777 for your methods and tips, I'm sure I'll get it soon if I follow them carefully and those damn cars'll stfu

Originally Posted by moonshine

The eyes thing is interesting. Eyes move whilst your in REM sleep.
Sufferers of SP find they can move nothing but they're eyes.

In which case is it really neccesary to try and keep your eyes from moving when your
attempting to WILD?

Opinions please?

Would be most interested in gauging opinions on this one.
Cos if I don't have to concentrate to keep my eyes locked in place, wilding would be a lot easier I think.

Originally Posted by evan56780

i fell like such a retard for saying this for about the 3rd time, but what do you do with your eyes? do you keep them closed, if not how do you not blink? and how dose wild help you lucid dream? (that last question is new im just very curios. sorry for being so repetitive, im a newb i know... lol

I do apologize for getting to this thread so late . Don't feel bad for asking this question...it's a fairly common one. I too had a great deal of misconceptions about how to induce an LD when starting out just like many more people still have. So you're far from alone on this one. To answer your question, you have to keep your eyes closed. Remember, your body is going to sleep...it's only your mind that stays awake.

Originally Posted by moonshine

The eyes thing is interesting. Eyes move whilst your in REM sleep.
Sufferers of SP find they can move nothing but they're eyes.

In which case is it really neccesary to try and keep your eyes from moving when your
attempting to WILD?

Opinions please?

Yes, it is necessary to keep them still while attempting a WILD. The only difference between those in REM, those in SP, and those who are attempting without being in either starting off is that those who are in REM and SP's bodies are already asleep...then their eyes will dart and move about. Your body must be asleep still before this process of unconscious rapid eye movement happens.

Originally Posted by Adam24

Last night when i was trying a WILD i didnt feel the wave, although i have before, but i did hear a very high pitched constant noise which wavered almost as if it was was circling around and around my head.

Wasat?

Sounds like auditory hallucinations via Hypnagogia. Hypnagogia is the prequel to Sleep Paralysis and Sleep Paralysis is the prequel to WILD's . Continue on full steam ahead .

Originally Posted by aioinae

I attempted WILD for the first time a few hours ago. After maybe 15 minutes of lying completely still, resisting every urge to move the slightest bit or swallow, I saw a little HI (some guy saying something, I forget) and light patterns and felt a sort of slow buzz (not really a "wave") come over mostly my lower body, along with this feeling of a huge weight on my chest and stomach area... then some loud car drove by outside and I got distracted.

Thanks Jeff777 for your methods and tips, I'm sure I'll get it soon if I follow them carefully and those damn cars'll stfu

You're more than welcome should you have any additional questions feel free to ask. Please keep us updated with your progress .

Originally Posted by moonshine

Would be most interested in gauging opinions on this one.
Cos if I don't have to concentrate to keep my eyes locked in place, wilding would be a lot easier I think.

Concentrating on keeping your eyes locked in place is what will keep you from WILD'ing. It should be a passive thing.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

Yes, it is necessary to keep them still while attempting a WILD. The only difference between those in REM, those in SP, and those who are attempting without being in either starting off is that those who are in REM and SP's bodies are already asleep...then their eyes will dart and move about. Your body must be asleep still before this process of unconscious rapid eye movement happens.

But its not unconscious is it?
In SP you are in fact awake and looking at the real world, albeit with imaginary extras like the often described hag or whatever.
In this state you can freely look around without breaking SP.

Its probably not unconscious in dreaming either. After all in your dream you are making a conscious decision to look at certain imaginary objects.
The muscles in your eyes move to reflect this. They are not effected by SP.

Do you see what I'm getting at.

I'm not saying I'm right. And I'm sure you can wild when keeping your eyes still. But I'm not sure you can't if you let your eyes move freely.

Originally Posted by moonshine

But its not unconscious is it?
In SP you are in fact awake and looking at the real world, albeit with imaginary extras like the often described hag or whatever.
In this state you can freely look around without breaking SP.

Its probably not unconscious in dreaming either. After all in your dream you are making a conscious decision to look at certain imaginary objects.
The muscles in your eyes move to reflect this. They are not effected by SP.

Do you see what I'm getting at.

I'm not saying I'm right. And I'm sure you can wild when keeping your eyes still. But I'm not sure you can't if you let your eyes move freely.

I agree with moonshine.
Our eyes may move in rhymic time to our dream or body rhythm.
Or they may move along with the dreams movement.

thanks jeff for the reply . i cant wait to have my first wild
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Originally Posted by moonshine

But its not unconscious is it?
In SP you are in fact awake and looking at the real world, albeit with imaginary extras like the often described hag or whatever.
In this state you can freely look around without breaking SP.

Its probably not unconscious in dreaming either. After all in your dream you are making a conscious decision to look at certain imaginary objects.
The muscles in your eyes move to reflect this. They are not effected by SP.

Do you see what I'm getting at.

I'm not saying I'm right. And I'm sure you can wild when keeping your eyes still. But I'm not sure you can't if you let your eyes move freely.

I'm not sure what you are getting at. So I'll say this...If you feel you can WILD better while moving your eyes (not keeping them still) then by all means shoot for the moon. I'd be interested in hearing how your results play out.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I'm not sure what you are getting at. So I'll say this...If you feel you can WILD better while moving your eyes (not keeping them still) then by all means shoot for the moon. I'd be interested in hearing how your results play out.

Tricky as I haven't had a lot of success either way.
It would be interesting to hear what other experienced WILDers have to say.

just a quick question.. I tried a WILD but failed last night. While getting towards the point of SP certain parts of my body would twitch unintentionally. I think I have read somewhere before that this is normal but id like to be reassured.