new method

[hellopotato]

hey all, a friend recently found out a method of ld-ing which worked for him, and i tried it and it worked for me too. its pretty simple, taking advantage of random night awakenings. i got 4 DILDS from it in 2 nights. here it is.. 1. go to sleep (no pre-sleep stuff required) 2. wake up randomly during the night 3. try not to move around (it doesnt really matter though), DO NOT think about ANYTHING other than ld-ing (like what you're doing that day, etc) and go to sleep thinking about ld-ing. it should be exactly like going back to sleep within minutes, except you will be thinking about lucid dreams. and what i do here is to recall my last lucid experience and play it out in my mind. 4. fall asleep and have DILDs. that's all there is to it. its basically like a really, REALLY short version of MILD. enjoy

[Sugarglider11]

we already have a method nearly identical to that, its called deild, and its a form of wild, not dild. yet again its possible this is diferent and you didnt have enogh info, yeah I dont think it is. sorry, I will try this tonight.

[peppy]

I thought deild was different. U wake up and stay completely still and just drift back off to another dream whilst conscious (sp?). This is not a deild, but could still be used as another way to WILD if u retained consciousness. The way hellopotato described it is more of a mild than a wild. I'll try this tonight.

[Oneironaught]

It really is the same thing as what's being called DEILD. Not that that's a bad thing...

[Sugarglider11]

I think its diferent, you dont have to remember any dreams, you drift back to sleep without entering a dream state, you think about lucid dreams, and next time you have a dream, you should be lucid.

[Oneironaught]

The only difference is that DEILD is supposed to be done when you awaken from a dream and this one doesn't specify. Which means the effectiveness when waking from a dream vs. when waking from a non-dream state has not specified (or probably sufficiently compared to know yet). Every other factor is the same as far as I can tell. And the one you're saying is different well, I don't think it's different, just not made clear. It's the same thing.

[G0MPgomp]

Again, sad to see your lack of informative reason.. A pity..

[hellopotato]

I think its diferent, you dont have to remember any dreams, you drift back to sleep without entering a dream state, you think about lucid dreams, and next time you have a dream, you should be lucid. EXACTLY.

[Oneironaught]

Again, sad to see your lack of informative reason.. A pity.. Then if you're so brilliant, why don't you dazzle us with your light. Go ahead, wow us... Then, when you get your thumb out of ass, why don't you explain exactly how this "new" technique differs from the same thing that many people discover on their own and think they've stumbled on something new. Then, I'll repeat what I said when I identified that this is actually the same thing, only worded slightly different. Well, I'm waiting...

[hellopotato]

Then if you're so brilliant, why don't you dazzle us with your light. Go ahead, wow us... Then, when you get your thumb out of ass, why don't you explain exactly how this "new" technique differs from the same thing that many people discover on their own and think they've stumbled on something new. Then, I'll repeat what I said when I identified that this is actually the same thing, only worded slightly different. Well, I'm waiting... well, that's not very nice. if you're not here to discuss something that may potentially help people LD, then stop posting.

[Oneironaught]

well, that's not very nice. if you're not here to discuss something that may potentially help people LD, then stop posting. Riiiiiigth, because this: Again, sad to see your lack of informative reason.. A pity.. ...is something that will potentially help people Look, don't get pissed at me because I pointed out the FACT that your "new technique" is not a new technique. I'm not trying to belittle your efforts or observations. But, the fact is that it's the same thing as what's already been named DEILD. And just because G0MPgomp is attacking me doesn't mean your claim is any more true.

[hellopotato]

yeah, except its NOT the same thing as DEILD. read the DEILD post again, and only then come back to discuss. it appears that you dont know what deild is.

[dodobird]

It's funny how we argue about what method it is... I think it's a sort of a MILD DEILD combo. Anyway I think thats a good idea. My problem with it, ( and also with DEILD ) is that if I wake up during the night, I got to get up and pee. But I can try this by returning to bed as fast as possible afterwards.

[hellopotato]

it doesnt matter if you have to get up. just make sure that you're not up for more than 5 minutes and that you think about lding when going back to bed. good luck to you!

[Oneironaught]

yeah, except its NOT the same thing as DEILD. Oh, is that so? Let's compare the two side by side, shall we? Step 1: wake up randomly during the night ...when you awaken from a dream. NOTE: The ONLY difference is that you don't SAY "when you wake from a dream", meaning that your "new method" isn't made clear enough because it's ONLY gong to work if you awaken DURING a REM cycle. Step 2: try not to move around (it doesnt really matter though), DO NOT think about ANYTHING other than ld-ing (like what you're doing that day, etc) and go to sleep thinking about ld-ing. it should be exactly like going back to sleep within minutes, except you will be thinking about lucid dreams. and what i do here is to recall my last lucid experience and play it out in my mind. Okay, I'm staying still with my eyes shut, what now? -Simply wait! After a few moments you may enter sleep paralysis immediately, which can be something very scary, but it means you no harm, so ignore it and/or as stated above, adopt a curious attitude toward it. It usually lasts about a minute or less, and if you concentrate on the blacness in your eyes while they are shut, you will most likely enter a random scenario, or open your eyes in your dream room. But if you want to end up in a location of your choosing, try this: 1) During SP, visualize and concentrate on where you want to be after sleep paralysis, and let the scene engulf you in the form of HI, until you are completely inside of where you visualized. Note: Uh, sure sounds like the EXACT SAME THING, only worded slightly different. Those are the critical steps, anything else that you or Klace mention are only general LD suggestions, such as "try to improve your recall" and this one: This will teach yourself to remember when you wake up from a dream, and program your subconscious to not move or open your eyes once this happens, there are many ways of doing this, but my favorite is to download a program called "Brain Bullet", and make a new affirmation file with everything you want to remind yourself to do upon awakening from a dream. (Mostly not moving and keeping your eyes shut), and once you can do the two major things, continue on! ...Which actually confronts this statement: It's funny how we argue about what method it is... I think it's a sort of a MILD DEILD combo. Which is funny because dodobird claims that your "new method" is like DEILD + MILD BUT - as you see - Klace's DEILD method ALREADY DOES MAKE REFFERENCE TO MILD ASPECTS. Again, this demonstrates that what you claim is new is not new. It's the exact same thing as DEILD. The ONLY difference is that Klace explains the method slightly more thoroughly than you do. ...read the DEILD post again, and only then come back to discuss. it appears that you dont know what deild is. On the contrary: YOU ARE THE ONE WHO DOES NOT KNOW. Well, now you know. Now, would you like to revise your arrogance? Note, this comparision is between your "New method" and DEILD as explained by member Klace in this topic..

[Sugarglider11]

I didnt read it all but deild is a form of wild, this one is a form of mild,

[tekkendreams]

hahahh clearly shows you have not searched through the forums before posting

[Sugarglider11]

this method mild, deild wild. This one is a form of mild thats really fast, deild is a form of wild that is really fast. this one is missing the whole sleep paralysis go from waking to dream part. Lets stop arguing about what it is and actually try and see if it works and post what happens.

[hellopotato]

thank you sugarglider11

[Oneironaught]

Lets stop arguing about what it is and actually try and see if it works and post what happens. But we already know it works. It's been done many, many times before

[Sugarglider11]

But we already know it works. It's been done many, many times before It has? this is diferent from normal milds because you dont even have to wake up from a dream, and its not a normal deild because you dont go directly back into the dream, I'm going to try this next time instead of deild.

[Oneironaught]

It has? this is diferent from normal milds because you dont even have to wake up from a dream, and its not a normal deild because you dont go directly back into the dream, I'm going to try this next time instead of deild. Imagine doing the exact same thing as DEILD but anytime you awaken. Just because you try DEILD at the "wrong" time doesn't make it a different technique.

[Sugarglider11]

yes it does... if I try to wild and dont go to a dream, but I have a lucid dream, is that still a wild? deild, dream exit initiated lucid dream, now this method doesn't need to be right after a dream, and you dont go directly into a dream.

[Oneironaught]

yes it does... if I try to wild and dont go to a dream, but I have a lucid dream, is that still a wild? deild, dream exit initiated lucid dream, now this method doesn't need to be right after a dream, and you dont go directly into a dream. But just because a method is used "incorrectly" or "fails" doesn't make the method different: AT ALL. The only "difference" here is in "success" or "failure": THAT'S ALL. Either DEILD or this "new method" (which is the same exact thing) can result in a DILD or a WILD, depending on how the cards play out. Luck of the draw - not a different strategy.

[Sugarglider11]

deild, you go directly back to the dream, your dont need to think about lucid dreaming while falling asleep, and you have to wake up from a dream. new method, you dont go directly back to a dream, you need to think about lucid dreaming while falling asleep, and you dont have to wake up from a dream. yes they are very similar but they are still different techniques