Thread: I H8 Reality's VILD Technique

Why didn't the guy who started this thread mention this?

Originally Posted by drewmandan

You have to be in SP if you want your visualizations to turn into dreams. Otherwise, you'll just end up daydreaming.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Why didn't the guy who started this thread mention this?

IIRC correctly, he said something about "brief awakenings", which really means that you can't move. If you move, it's no longer a "brief" awakening. Well, you might be able to roll over, but that's pushing it.

What if I wake up by using my alarm clock - and then re-enter SP?
One noob question - *cough* ...How do you enter SP?
I think you just have to lie completely still with your eyes shut (and not moving either) thinking about nothing, right?

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

Why didn't the guy who started this thread mention this?

Every body take it easy, i think theres some misunderstanding

The purpose of the brief awakening is to be at the edge of wakfulness and asleep. And once your there you can start visulizing and your visulaization will eventually turn into a dream, and bingo your Lucid.

As for what your suppost to do with your body during a brief awakening. The less you move the faster this tech will work, BUT this technique isnt like DEILD or WILD where your not suppost to move at all so that you can achieve SP

My technique doesnt use SP or involve SP in any form.

To sum up my answer the reason its best not to move to much during a brief awakeing is so that you can enter a dream faster, Not so that you can achieve SP

If you have to hit a button to turn off the alarm, then it will wake you up too much most likely. Remember, the goal here is to never leave SP. That's why this technique works so well, because it bypasses the hardest step, which is getting into SP.

As for getting into SP, yeah that's basically correct. You can't have anything on your mind that might keep you awake. You'll have to learn where to draw that line for yourself. Now personally, I don't bother with this. What I do is just fall asleep normally and then DEILD when the dream ends. But to each his own.

Thanks for clearing that up. ^^

Originally Posted by I H8 Reality

Every body take it easy, i think theres some misunderstanding

The purpose of the brief awakening is to be at the edge of wakfulness and asleep. And once your there you can start visulizing and your visulaization will eventually turn into a dream, and bingo your Lucid.

As for what your suppost to do with your body during a brief awakening. The less you move the faster this tech will work, BUT this technique isnt like DEILD or WILD where your not suppost to move at all so that you can achieve SP

My technique doesnt use SP or involve SP in any form.

To sum up my answer the reason its best not to move to much during a brief awakeing is so that you can enter a dream faster, Not so that you can achieve SP

Originally Posted by I H8 Reality

Every body take it easy, i think theres some misunderstanding

The purpose of the brief awakening is to be at the edge of wakfulness and asleep. And once your there you can start visulizing and your visulaization will eventually turn into a dream, and bingo your Lucid.

As for what your suppost to do with your body during a brief awakening. The less you move the faster this tech will work, BUT this technique isnt like DEILD or WILD where your not suppost to move at all so that you can achieve SP

My technique doesnt use SP or involve SP in any form.

To sum up my answer the reason its best not to move to much during a brief awakeing is so that you can enter a dream faster, Not so that you can achieve SP

I don't think you understand what's going on. You can't enter a dream without entering SP. If you did, you would be sleep walking. The reason the technique works is because it is just a slightly less restrictive DEILD, whether you realize it or not.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

I don't think you understand what's going on. You can't enter a dream without entering SP. If you did, you would be sleep walking. The reason the technique works is because it is just a slightly less restrictive DEILD, whether you realize it or not.

Yea, what???? The brief awakening serves two purposes: It is very brief, so that you can restrict movement and remain in SP, and it's an awakening, so that your brain can become conscious and awake enough to trick your body into remaining in SP so that you can WILD quickly. No matter what I think you're going to be going through SP, whether or not you feel the effects is another question. But if you are fully conscious throughout the entire process, from awakening to the dream itself, you are going to either be staying in or going through SP. It depends on how much you wake up/move.

Unless it's a false awakening of course!

Originally Posted by Shift

Yea, what???? The brief awakening serves two purposes: It is very brief, so that you can restrict movement and remain in SP, and it's an awakening, so that your brain can become conscious and awake enough to trick your body into remaining in SP so that you can WILD quickly. No matter what I think you're going to be going through SP, whether or not you feel the effects is another question. But if you are fully conscious throughout the entire process, from awakening to the dream itself, you are going to either be staying in or going through SP. It depends on how much you wake up/move.

Unless it's a false awakening of course!

You shouldn't feel SP with this technique

Isn't it a WILD if you wake up?

I'm not sure, but I think I've tried this tech last night. I set my alarm so it would wake me up at 6 or 7 AM. (can't remember) I woke up around 7.10 AM. I didn't hear the alarm?? My alarm is REALLY loud so it's impossible to ignore it.
Maybe I turned it off and forgot all about it?

Anyway I don't know what I did, but I had TWO Ld's!
The first one was just a few seconds, and I can't remember anything.
The second was a lot better and longer. After that I got a false awakening - I didn't notice that until I really woke up.

Damn!

Originally Posted by westonci

You shouldn't feel SP with this technique

But regardless you will be in SP

I turned of my alarm clock and then did the technique...How did I turn of my alarm if I was in SP?

Originally Posted by Shift

But regardless you will be in SP

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

I turned of my alarm clock and then did the technique...How did I turn of my alarm if I was in SP?

ahh quotes first then message, I thought it was part of your sig at first haha "Man, of all the things that I've said, why that?" lol

Well you were out of SP to turn it off, then you went back into SP.
You aren't always conscious of going through SP. It happens every single time you go to sleep (unless you're http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ghlight=helmet ...? I'm skeptical), but how many times have you actually experienced it? I don't WILD but even WILDing, you don't always experience the onset of SP, and in techniques like this one it is theoretically because you are so in the midst of your visualization that you aren't paying enough attention to your physical body to perceive SP.

Do a search of this thread for arby's posts =

I was about to wake up from this dream once, and in that dream I was about to smash something. Then woke up, and WHAM - I hit my hand against the wall
I wasn't sleepwalking though.
EDIT: damn I forgot it again! Quotes first!!

Originally Posted by Shift

ahh quotes first then message, I thought it was part of your sig at first haha "Man, of all the things that I've said, why that?" lol

Well you were out of SP to turn it off, then you went back into SP.
You aren't always conscious of going through SP. It happens every single time you go to sleep (unless you're http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ghlight=helmet ...? I'm skeptical), but how many times have you actually experienced it? I don't WILD but even WILDing, you don't always experience the onset of SP, and in techniques like this one it is theoretically because you are so in the midst of your visualization that you aren't paying enough attention to your physical body to perceive SP.

Do a search of this thread for arby's posts =

Haha well there's no rule about quote order, it's just common practice on this site to do it that way, so it's a bit confusing at first to see it in that order.
Hmmm RC time lol

Short of hooking you up to all sorts of machines that I don't even understand I can't tell you exactly what happened. But it woke you up, didn't it? Often people wake up committing some sort of action that carried over from the dream. I can't say 100% confidently why. Sleepwalking doesn't occur during REM dreams. My guess would either be that it was such an intense action that you jerked yourself out of SP and enacted it (but woke up as you did so), or even that you just happened to wake up at that time and SP ended and you still acted out that one part of the dream. I guess like when you wake up from a nightmare and you bolt upright even before you're 100% sure you're even awake. I haven't read any literature about when exactly SP ends so I can't say for sure. But the fact that you don't have broken bones and bruises all over you yet you dream every night is testament to SP doing its job... for the most part

I'm not sure what's more interesting... that, or experiencing SP when you've just woken up and being paralyzed haha

Originally Posted by westonci

You shouldn't feel SP with this technique

Right, because the part of SP you feel is the onset of SP. That's when 'vibrations' happen. But you most certainly are in SP with this technique, which makes it DEILD.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Right, because the part of SP you feel is the onset of SP. That's when 'vibrations' happen. But you most certainly are in SP with this technique, which makes it DEILD.

Your not suppose to feel SP with my technique. You basically you from visualizing to a LD automatically without feeling SP.

I think this is where the confusion is, your not suppose to feel SP while entering the dream in my technique that doesnt mean you dont go through SP.

DEILD is different because your suppose to enter an LD from SP. And to get the SP your not allowed to move during the brief awakening.

i have to thank you so much for this technique, i got it to work this morning and had the longest, most amazing LD ever. and no, i didnt have SP, i had to get up and shut my alarm clock off. within a minute I was in the dream.

i dont have time to go through the details, but it started at about 8:01-05 and ended at 8:30, the longest LD i've ever had. When i felt it coming to an end I just rubbed my hands and it went on. In the end I woke up because of a garbage truck outside of my house =/ It was so long that I actually started running out of ideas to do lmao.

it was awesome, it was snowing for some reason outside, and i did whatever the hell i wanted. i had my first LD sex experience, ran around, talked to friends and tried to get them to do reality checks incase i was talking to their dream selves, explored, talked to dream characters, etc. The only things I couldn't do where flying (its hard as hell =/) and changing my location ( i tried spinning and visualizing the new location, didnt work).

anyway, thanks for this awesome tech, works like a charm

Originally Posted by BaKo

i have to thank you so much for this technique, i got it to work this morning and had the longest, most amazing LD ever. and no, i didnt have SP,

Oh, so you were walking around your house while sleeping? Of course you had SP. You just didn't feel vibrations because your brain didn't get the chance to fully switch over to beta waves.

Originally Posted by BaKo

and no, i didnt have SP, i had to get up and shut my alarm clock off. within a minute I was in the dream.

You can't turn off your alarm clock if you're in SP. So, there is no SP.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

Oh, so you were walking around your house while sleeping? Of course you had SP. You just didn't feel vibrations because your brain didn't get the chance to fully switch over to beta waves.

Originally Posted by Timothy Paradox

You can't turn off your alarm clock if you're in SP. So, there is no SP.

He was in SP, left SP, then re-entered SP without vibrations due to the altered state of his brain, smart ass.

Originally Posted by drewmandan

He was in SP, left SP, then re-entered SP without vibrations due to the altered state of his brain, smart ass.

Ok, no need to insult me.

I'm pretty sure he insults everyone, just learn from what he says and you'll be the better for it lol