Thread: Arrrggghhh!! Blurring Everywhere!!!

Yea that does help

so are you saying that it because we only do what comes natural from a young age and ignoring our lucid understaning means that we find it hard to escape falling back into the unconcious?

And if we were to train our selves back up to a high standard it would switch it back the other way round and we'd have complete control?

wont the physical aspects come into play in affecting this??

Do you have this control because you have complete understanding?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Mustang69

so are you saying that it because we only do what comes natural from a young age and ignoring our lucid understaning means that we find it hard to escape falling back into the unconcious?

Right, it is natural to simply sleep unconsciously. Most people do not even care to remember them let alone control them.

And if we were to train our selves back up to a high standard it would switch it back the other way round and we'd have complete control?

The word "back" is misleading; I do not think we ever began at such a complex level of thinking. Also, I do not think we could ever have complete control, it is almost impossible (ie. lucid dream while controlling the physical body).

wont the physical aspects come into play in affecting this??

Depends on how you define complete control.

Do you have this control because you have complete understanding?

I do not think we could ever have complete understanding about anything, really. There is always room for growth and knowledge.

I think I do have control because of my inquiry, questioning, and investigating though. If I did not care about my dreams, I would not be having such complex ones. On a similar level, you would not have knowledge about computers if you never desired to question what it was, right?

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Right yea i get that

So what your saying is that i need to lift these mental blocks i have,

how would i go about doin this?
Stoping myself of being unconcious?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Mustang69

So what your saying is that i need to lift these mental blocks i have,

how would i go about doin this?
Stoping myself of being unconcious?

Right. Notice that in your original post you concentrate on tasks and methods. You may even wonder if drugs or food will help.

Notice how they all avoid the mental part of lucid dreaming? The mental part is the central core for lucid dreaming and dreaming in general! How can we ignore this?

Try and find ways to open your mind; try new experiences, things you've never done or tried before. These will eventually lead to a very broad definition of yourself and not only lucidity in dreams, but in real life.

To concentrate on just dreams, think of why you want to become lucid. What's your motivation? Relax and try to "become one" with your surroundings. It may sound silly, but it is really becoming in-tune with your senses and mental self.

Do you agree?

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I guess i dont have a great overall motivation to become lucid, just maybe because i have power i the fact that i can do what i want,
do i need a solid subject or idea to become properly motivated?

what types of things would you suggest?

i guess if i was lucid dreaming i would want to be in a very normal environment sometimes but do something very extraordinary.

and then sometime be in a place where ive never been before and be ordinary.

Does this make any sense?

I guess your more philosophy and psychologically more knowledgeable than me. so.

Originally Posted by Mustang69

I guess i dont have a great overall motivation to become lucid, just maybe because i have power i the fact that i can do what i want,
do i need a solid subject or idea to become properly motivated?

Not at all! You need nothing besides motivation itself!

Do not think that it is a way of having something. It is just like happiness; do you think you need something in order to be happy? You can be happy at any moment you want. This is the exact same for lucidity.

what types of things would you suggest?

It is truly a personal journey.

I want you to know I am advising a more difficult path for you but it is significantly more rewarding than any other method. Not only will this path help your lucid control but your life in general. Please stay with me here.

i guess if i was lucid dreaming i would want to be in a very normal environment sometimes but do something very extraordinary.

and then sometime be in a place where ive never been before and be ordinary.

Does this make any sense?

Of course. You want to experience new things. I appreciate that.

I guess your more philosophy and psychologically more knowledgeable than me. so.

That is not only untrue but unnecessary. Just because I might read more, or even have a higher IQ, does that mean I am better capable at things than you? Does anything give an indiciation to how happy you are? Do you see how these are related?

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Just going to throw my 2 cents in here. I'm a lucid dreaming noob and until rececently havent been consistently lucid dreaming since I was about 12. I consider myself lucky since I really don't have a clue what I'm doing, it just sort started happening for me. In my recent lucid dreams I have had no problem staying in a vivid dream. I only learned control of the dream last night...was quite easy so I won't say anything is easy for anyone else, I just happen to be in the right mindset (whatever it may be).

O'nus (btw Turing Machine, nice) made a great point early about focusing too much on methods. Basically, I think you are trying to hard. Having set tasks in you mind may have clouded it (like your vision). By entering the hotel, you had a destination and set a bunch of tasks for yourself. This sounds like you have too many thoughts going through your head. Once you have achieved lucidity, let it go. See where your dream goes and simply observe (kind of like going on a trip) and see if it stays clear. Once you have followed your dream for a bit, if everything is still clear try changing a few things to see if you can control it without anything blurring. It's like setting up an experiment with the control group being letting the dream progress naturally and then trying to control it so you can see where the issue is. Even better its like debugging your dream! Last night my dream ended, when I went a little nuts with controlling it. I wanted to see how far I could take it, and started summoning beasts and had them fighting each other (Pretty cool since they ignored me <== that was me). Not long after this I woke up.

I'm not sure how focusing on your hand will help regain clarity (help O'nus). I don't really understand this technique. I can use what little I know about psychology to help though. Our sense of vision is dominant (in RL anyway). For instance, if you put some sort of prism in front of a straight rod it will appear bent. Therefor it will feel bent even though you know for a fact it is straight. This leads me to believe that focusing on your hand would have the opposite affect. I would have tried identifying an object and grabbing it. I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. Just trying to help.

If you are truly motivated to do this, it worth doing some research. I don't know if this will help your lucidity, but it can't hurt. It is another example of sight dominating other senses that I saw in a scientific magazine once...I quick googled it and found this:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/hea...,7257377.story