Thread: Arrrggghhh!! Blurring Everywhere!!!

Originally Posted by Mustang69

I guess i dont have a great overall motivation to become lucid, just maybe because i have power i the fact that i can do what i want,
do i need a solid subject or idea to become properly motivated?

Not at all! You need nothing besides motivation itself!

Do not think that it is a way of having something. It is just like happiness; do you think you need something in order to be happy? You can be happy at any moment you want. This is the exact same for lucidity.

what types of things would you suggest?

It is truly a personal journey.

I want you to know I am advising a more difficult path for you but it is significantly more rewarding than any other method. Not only will this path help your lucid control but your life in general. Please stay with me here.

i guess if i was lucid dreaming i would want to be in a very normal environment sometimes but do something very extraordinary.

and then sometime be in a place where ive never been before and be ordinary.

Does this make any sense?

Of course. You want to experience new things. I appreciate that.

I guess your more philosophy and psychologically more knowledgeable than me. so.

That is not only untrue but unnecessary. Just because I might read more, or even have a higher IQ, does that mean I am better capable at things than you? Does anything give an indiciation to how happy you are? Do you see how these are related?

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Just going to throw my 2 cents in here. I'm a lucid dreaming noob and until rececently havent been consistently lucid dreaming since I was about 12. I consider myself lucky since I really don't have a clue what I'm doing, it just sort started happening for me. In my recent lucid dreams I have had no problem staying in a vivid dream. I only learned control of the dream last night...was quite easy so I won't say anything is easy for anyone else, I just happen to be in the right mindset (whatever it may be).

O'nus (btw Turing Machine, nice) made a great point early about focusing too much on methods. Basically, I think you are trying to hard. Having set tasks in you mind may have clouded it (like your vision). By entering the hotel, you had a destination and set a bunch of tasks for yourself. This sounds like you have too many thoughts going through your head. Once you have achieved lucidity, let it go. See where your dream goes and simply observe (kind of like going on a trip) and see if it stays clear. Once you have followed your dream for a bit, if everything is still clear try changing a few things to see if you can control it without anything blurring. It's like setting up an experiment with the control group being letting the dream progress naturally and then trying to control it so you can see where the issue is. Even better its like debugging your dream! Last night my dream ended, when I went a little nuts with controlling it. I wanted to see how far I could take it, and started summoning beasts and had them fighting each other (Pretty cool since they ignored me <== that was me). Not long after this I woke up.

I'm not sure how focusing on your hand will help regain clarity (help O'nus). I don't really understand this technique. I can use what little I know about psychology to help though. Our sense of vision is dominant (in RL anyway). For instance, if you put some sort of prism in front of a straight rod it will appear bent. Therefor it will feel bent even though you know for a fact it is straight. This leads me to believe that focusing on your hand would have the opposite affect. I would have tried identifying an object and grabbing it. I honestly don't know what I'm talking about. Just trying to help.

If you are truly motivated to do this, it worth doing some research. I don't know if this will help your lucidity, but it can't hurt. It is another example of sight dominating other senses that I saw in a scientific magazine once...I quick googled it and found this:
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/hea...,7257377.story

^ Exactly true. I agree.

This is where my reasoning came for the idea that he may be isolating the visual sense too much in order to lucid dream. Thank you for the needed elaboration.

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No problem. I was just spilling out ideas. Anywho, if you get blurry, try and find someone with glasses and put them on. That would be funny if this worked. Since you create the world you are seeing, your brain may infer that the glasses will clear up the world. Sounds like a long shot, but it takes advantage of the logic your brain performs (thats right, unconcious logic). For example, cross your fingers and touch each side of your nose with the crossed fingers. Close your eyes and you may feel an illusion of having 2 noses! The phantom limb is also a good example of this. The same can be recreated with a fake halloween hand. Hide your hand and have someone stroke your hand and the fake hand in the same manner, and you may feel the sensation as arising from the fake hand even though you can clearly see it is not attached to anything. It's amazing how you can change your perception of your body image which you have created your entire life in mear seconds.

edit: Just came up with an idea. If I try these experiments in a dream, will it actually create a second nose?!? Or if I summon a fake hand and something to hide mine behind could I make my hand turn into a fake mutant hand? There is another experiment in which you close your eyes and get the sensation of having a 4 ft. nose, but this would require too much participation from DCs (too much concentration to control them).

Dreams are truly the recollection of your unconscious episode. Truthfully, the cerebellum is inclined to assimilate experiences to make chronological sense. This is why it seems that you are experiencing the dreams as they are happening, but you are actually not and cannot. There cerebrum is functionally deactivied (no monoamine neurotransmitter activity) so it is actually when you awake that your mind re-arranges everything and functions on lucidity, dreams, etc.

The blurryness is likely the result of confused or difficult recall.

Either way, the recollection residually helps and reinforces attention and focus.

Your exams and suspension of the dream journal are likely the culprit to this blurryness. I could interpret it as the uneasyness about your exams (ie. "i do not know how this will come about" analguous to "i cannot see the future" etc. etc.).

What do you think...?

What about the WILD technique? you dont even lose consciousness. and WILDs are alot clearer than DILDs. they are for me anyway. They feel more like present experiences than past experiences for me as well.

Originally Posted by freefire

What about the WILD technique? you dont even lose consciousness. and WILDs are alot clearer than DILDs. they are for me anyway. They feel more like present experiences than past experiences for me as well.

I'm really not sure what to say about WILD's - I have no grounds to really work from.

I speculate that it may be conditioning, hypnogognic imagery control, etc.

However, you cannot have consciousness during sleep - it is just impossible. Your brain will not function like that because while you are asleep your monoamine neurotransmitter production is inhibited which invariably inhibits your cerebral activity.

I cannot really prove this to you or persuade you otherwise. It is a result from my experience in research in other forms of psychology that I presume transfer over to the phenomenon of sleep; I call it a phenomenon because we do not know what regulates sleep.

With that said, if I were you, I would likely take what I say on a marginal level unless you are willing to trust my opinion. In that case, I would say you could strengthen your hypnogognic imagery control and the attention will seem over to sleep.

The only thing I do know for certain is that you cannot have the same stream of consciousness from waking life to unconscious life - it is simply a biological impossibility.

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Mmm I'm confused. We know we're dreaming, but we're not conscious until we awake, which makes sense. But what would be doing the lucid dreaming then, or in other words, how does it become lucid if there is no consciousness to become aware and make decisions? (I'm not learned on brain mechanics)

(Yea, not the point of the thread but it was bugging me )