Thread: A regular Lucid Dreamer reveals his tech

Originally Posted by ruff23

I dont care what some guy put in a book, doesnt make it fact.

What "some guy" put in a book? Are you serious? You have no idea who Stephen Laberge is and, even if you do, you just ruined what "little" credibility you had on this forum (which wasn't much to begin with).

Originally Posted by ruff23

WILD tech been aroudn for a logn time but its a OBE tech not a lucid one.

i thought an OBE was when you see your body, but can still walk around, do things, etc.

and a lil touch on my story for you guys reading:

when i was a boy i had what maybe called alot of OBE experiences, the OBE experiences were very scraey for me, not because of beign obe, rather because everytime id do it id be attacked by some sort of demons or evil presences. Now they may not be real OBE rather just dreams that act like OBE's but yeah thats where it all stemed from, they started when i was about 5-6 years old. These OBE or vivd dreams use to scare the shit out of me because they happend every night, id tell my parents abotu them and they would pray to god and taught me to pray to god before i slept. After a while i developed a way to open my eyes instantly while asleep so i could end any dream on command.
So i always wondered was i doing OBE or lucid dreaming, i now think back then it was just lucid dreamign for me.
after i taght myself how to open my eyes to end dreams, i would still lucid dream just not as often, often my lucid dreams would start by me starting to fly and it not making sense to my that i was flying so often i would gain real thought within the dream and could think clearly, this would also mix with me not giving my mind full control but rather embracign the dream and trying to stop myself from gainign fulla wareness so i could hold the lucid dreams for longer.

When i hit my late teens i had a horriable dream where i dreamnt I was in a park with all my friends and family and we were having a celebration, i felt somthign slither across my skin but couldnt see it, it then apeared and it was a big demon or the devil and it said to me "soon your goign to be mine". I opened my eyes and exited the dream. That dream brought back memories of when i was a boy and my OBE experiences, i had the net back then and started searchign for things on dreams and an explanation for what i have lived through when i close my eyes. I came to find there was abit of a community on this and learnt the names OBE and lucid dreaming. I spent time tryign to emulate my OBE experiences as a boy. I had some success, but i feel they were just lucid dreams for me. I started teaching myself meditation by reading alot of guides, i tried the WILD guides for OBE, which while creating soem cool feelings in my body never once switched my into a dream state, rather just my imagination would take over, and this felt nothign like my lucid dreams, i was still awake the whoel time. This is why i discount wild and think its a fake tech, i think people use this tech and get the fuzzy feelign or some strange feelings but i dont believe it goes much further then that.

Anyway in my quest to OBE my lucid dreaming abilities became much better where i would practice every night and when i was bored id practice it during the day. I found my best success came in the morning when id wake up to my house mate leavign for work and id go back to sleep and i had soem success. I ended up moving back home to save money while i was at uni, i didnt much like my bed so when my folks would leave for work int he morning id often get up out of my bed and go sleep on there bed. I noticed id dream every single tiem i did this, then it was simply using my old lucid dreaming tech and take over the dreams.

Ofcourse this is just a broad version of my story but yeah this is bascialy how ive coem to the point where i can lucid dream almost every tiem i sleep now, if i so chose too. Example beign soemtimes im just so tired i dont care for lucid dream i just want to sleep.


Ok so now that you have read one of my long posts here is a tup for you guys who lucid dream... How to Fly in a Lucid Dream.

Basicaly most of the time you can just fly on will but i like to experiment and try different ways.

1. Flap ya arms like ya a bird, i know it sounds funny but in a lucid dream you can often hover around liek this or do realy high jumps.

2. when you jump try spin yourself in a circle and try keep the spin goign as long as you can.

3. Try hold a long jump run and jump and try hold the postion in ya air as long as possable, when you keep trying youl find you can jump longer and longer.

4. Aim for somthign to jump too. For example you could be balancing on 1 fence try jump to another fence, youl find you can jump reaaaaly far.

5. (My fav style) Try swim like a dolphin, simple jump and do the dolphin kick, youl find you can fly up and down like this flying high into the sky and decsening close to the ground, kick and repeat process whiel goign forward, its a very ver cool feeling.

6. Find a high place and simply jump off it, you will fall and sometiems wake up or youl stop fallign after a while and can start flying.

7. simply just will yourself to fly, this style i liek to use to fly around like superman lol.

Have fun

My oBE experience was that id either get up out of my body and see it still layign there, or id wake up but still be in a dream and walk around and do normal things that id do in my day, until id realise im actualy not awake.

That Stephen Laberge could probably teach my somthign new, but i feel im pretty good at what i do since ive done it for a very long time. I will however remain unconvinced about WILD, so yeh im gonna not mention it anymore and i hope you peopel who post in the thread not mention it either in this thread

you dont even know the basic techniques like WILD and WBTB,you dont know the key people of Lucid Dreaming like stephen laberge, you dont know the difference between a dream and an OBE, And the only techniques you have told us about are ones that we on the forum already knew. Except for your so called crystal technique which in my opinion is a load of shit. It seems we should be your teacher, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by ruff23

I dont care what some guy put in a book, doesnt make it fact.

This is amusing.
LaBerge is, y'know, the guy who proved lucid dreaming is a real phenomenon, persuading the scientific community to understand it wasn't some crazy nonsense. He also was a primary force for developing the core techniques for learning to do it.
Probably the main reason this site and others like it exist is due of the research he and others have done, and the books he's published.
Not to mention, the WBTB and MILD that you suggested were origionally developed by his research team.

Man, I really wish I could somehow make or let you have a WILD. I first had a WILD before I even knew the name, or about this site. At that time I described it as being on the border of a dream and awake, and being able to choose to wake up or go into it.

I think you should try more. I think your experience with feeling like you are coming out of your body is a good one to try to recreate when trying to WILD.

Even if you don't try, I think might have one eventually. I would love to see how you react after you did.

What works for some people might not work for others. I think its good you are trying to help people , but there are some people who don't believe in OBEs. These people are just like you. They haven't experienced one so they doubt or don't believe it exists. It's also the same with lucid dreams, some people don't think they are real, and that people are just making it up, because they have never experienced it.

The sensations you felt are the beginning of it. For how long did you attempt WILDing? weeks? months?

i tried WILD for a few months, with no progress other then the vibrations/fussy feeling i stopped but then i had a nice person send me some cd's also if you know what hemisync is, i actualy found it realy realy relaxing so made it a habbit to do it most nights. I honestly gave WILD a good try, i wanted to beleive it works so i tried hard but didnt get and lucid dreams from it. So i went back to my normal pattern to induce the lucid dreams. Just because i havent done any research on these people doesnt discredit me at all. I know what i can do and im happy to share it with the rest of you and if it helps thats all i wanted to achieve. This is just my opinion.
Nice post Yay.
From what i understand there is not much difference between OBE and Lucid dreaming in regards to actualy beign in one. A lucid dream can seem alot like an OBE, reason i believed i was OBE was because of my interection with our animals and being exactly in the same room i was in when i went to sleep ect The signs of being in a OBE were there, this is what makes it hard to distinguish if it was OBE i had or a very real feeling/looking OBE lucid dream.

Originally Posted by ruff23

i tried WILD for a few months, with no progress other then the vibrations/fussy feeling i stopped but then i had a nice person send me some cd's also if you know what hemisync is, i actualy found it realy realy relaxing so made it a habbit to do it most nights. I honestly gave WILD a good try, i wanted to beleive it works so i tried hard but didnt get and lucid dreams from it. So i went back to my normal pattern to induce the lucid dreams. Just because i havent done any research on these people doesnt discredit me at all. I know what i can do and im happy to share it with the rest of you and if it helps thats all i wanted to achieve. This is just my opinion.
Nice post Yay.
From what i understand there is not much difference between OBE and Lucid dreaming in regards to actualy beign in one. A lucid dream can seem alot like an OBE, reason i believed i was OBE was because of my interection with our animals and being exactly in the same room i was in when i went to sleep ect The signs of being in a OBE were there, this is what makes it hard to distinguish if it was OBE i had or a very real feeling/looking OBE lucid dream.

Hmm. You are talking about one of the hardest {if not hardest} techniques to induce lucid dreams. It is called wild. And as written in this forums, some people are somehow not compatible with this technique, becouse of their personalities, experiences and habits. Just remember the time, when you learned how to open your eyes from OBE. Dont you think you put a pretty large block on your subconscious which is preventing you moving further?

My little story: I began lucid dreaming having one spontaneous awakening from dream. Then I became interested, talked with friend. And guess what. New lucid dream.... And so...

I started to practice WILD, becouse lots of people are devoted to the task. But I was and stil am a noob and cannot do WILD. For me its hard. Now... After pretty a long time i found out that I should work on other techniques and do WILD just as a side task. Everything seems much smoother now. So hmm. I dont see WILD as a problem. There are some really experienced people who can do it. And I await to learn it in maybe three or four years, when i learn more about the dream world in general. Not sooner. Why? Other techniques work well also.

I dont see a sense in fighting this technique. Actually you have pretty bad attitude to this technique. And in this forums it is often written that this technique must be just about letting go. You cannot let yourself go, when you are performing something you dont believe that exists.

Do your technique. It seems to work for you. And thats cool. thanx for sharing. Maybe after two year we will laugh about this..

I noticed you didn't mention the part of my post about people believing lucid dreamers. that is the main point , if any, I want to get across to you. If someone came on here, or while you were talking to them somewhere said that they don't think lucid dreams are real, and that they just make them up to look cool or whatever reason, what would you say? This is the exact same thing. Not everyone who tries has lucid dreams. Some people seem to just not be able to for whatever reason. They may also say they had weird or more vivid dreams, but they didn't have a lucid dream. This is just like how you had weird sensations, but you didn't WILD. It might just be that some people can lucid dream, some can't. Some people can WILD, some cant. Just as lucid dreaming, WILDs are a very strange experience that is easier to do once you know how.

I really want to help you have one, just as you are trying to help other people have lucid dreams.

Do you ever get images or scenes in your head while going to sleep, if you are really tired or not?

If not images, what about any color or anything other than blackness?

What about a feeling in your head?

Usually before I (usually randomly) WILD I see images or a scene and my head feels weird and the scene gets really bright. It doesn't always happen like that, and thats another thing I hope you realize. As others have said, things that work for you might not work for others. This doesn't mean it doesn't work for anyone because it doesn't work for you. Like if someone came in this thread and said your techniques are wrong and don't work because it didn't work for them.

In a recent WILD , I felt as if I was going into my mind. It was a very weird feeling, but maybe as you are falling asleep you could really TRY to enter a dream. I think it would be like an OBE, that weird feeling as you leave your body. I have had a WILD like that.

I have a hard time trying to sleep because i have an active mind always htinking about random things when i go to bed, so i inadvertly practise the wild tech in order to get to sleep. What i can tell you is often doign this my body jerks and awakes me, which is very annoying when im trying to get soem sleep.
As for getting images in my head when trying to get to sleep yeh i get that most nights, not to sound crazy but i usualy imagen things and talk to myself in my head while trying to sleep, which in tern can keep me up very late. Kind of like a lil kid the night before christmas, but i get this most nights.
I have also pracisted wild where i let my body drift off then ill imagen im out doing things, but my imagination wont let me sleep, it just keeps ticking over, ive had sleepness nights liek this.

adraw, its great to awaken in a dream, so i am rather impressed you didnt brush it off but rather followed it up and try to do it more often. Have you had or done anythign realy cool?

Id say the best thing ive done was when i was in a dream i was in a pharmacy and i tried to read a bottle and on my 2nd attempt it triggered my awarness to tell me in in a dream, i then proceeded to walk outside where i saw some guy shooting electricty out of his hands at people, quite impressed with what i saw i then shot one at him and joined in the zapping of the random people who where in the locality.. lol

Originally Posted by ruff23

i tried WILD for a few months, with no progress other then the vibrations/fussy feeling i stopped but then i had a nice person send me some cd's also if you know what hemisync is, i actualy found it realy realy relaxing so made it a habbit to do it most nights. I honestly gave WILD a good try, i wanted to beleive it works so i tried hard but didnt get and lucid dreams from it. So i went back to my normal pattern to induce the lucid dreams. Just because i havent done any research on these people doesnt discredit me at all. I know what i can do and im happy to share it with the rest of you and if it helps thats all i wanted to achieve. This is just my opinion.
Nice post Yay.
From what i understand there is not much difference between OBE and Lucid dreaming in regards to actualy beign in one. A lucid dream can seem alot like an OBE, reason i believed i was OBE was because of my interection with our animals and being exactly in the same room i was in when i went to sleep ect The signs of being in a OBE were there, this is what makes it hard to distinguish if it was OBE i had or a very real feeling/looking OBE lucid dream.

So something that doesn't work for you makes it a lie and a made-up tech? I can't WILD, MILD or FILD and I can barely WBTB so I have to rely on DILDs but just because I can't do these techniques I don't have any doubt of their existance and effectiveness. In the same way, I have never seen a dinosaur but I believe they once roamed Earth 150mils ago.

been said many times to me on here, and i still dont believe it works

I do not believe your technique works anymore than you believe a WILD technique does.
Because you have not has success should not make you obtuse.

If you believe in one technique, tell me how you can disprove a belief that another does not work please.

Originally Posted by ruff23

i tried WILD for a few months, with no progress other then the vibrations/fussy feeling i stopped but then i had a nice person send me some cd's also if you know what hemisync is, i actualy found it realy realy relaxing so made it a habbit to do it most nights. I honestly gave WILD a good try, i wanted to beleive it works so i tried hard but didnt get and lucid dreams from it. So i went back to my normal pattern to induce the lucid dreams. Just because i havent done any research on these people doesnt discredit me at all. I know what i can do and im happy to share it with the rest of you and if it helps thats all i wanted to achieve. This is just my opinion.
Nice post Yay.
From what i understand there is not much difference between OBE and Lucid dreaming in regards to actualy beign in one. A lucid dream can seem alot like an OBE, reason i believed i was OBE was because of my interection with our animals and being exactly in the same room i was in when i went to sleep ect The signs of being in a OBE were there, this is what makes it hard to distinguish if it was OBE i had or a very real feeling/looking OBE lucid dream.

It took me years not months to learn how to WILD, but it was worth it. You might think about giving it another try. It is okay if you can't do it as there are lots of other ways to lucid dream, which you claim to know and understand. For me, the thing about WILDing is that I pretty much know that if I am going to take the time to WILD, then I will have a LD most of the time. While the other techniques have worked to make me lucid, they didn't work almost all the time, nor were they as intense. If you already have a high success rate and are satisfied with intensity, maybe the WILD technique is not that useful for you.

Originally Posted by Something Else

It took me years not months to learn how to WILD, ...

Then maybe there's hope for me yet!

Ruff, I'm going to level with you here, WILDs are real, people on this forum have had them. I have no reason to doubt these members infact I trust alot of the people on here and even confide in some of them!

Just because you are arrogant doesn't mean that they don't exist. This forum is for the open minded, if you can't open your mind to some of the techniques on here then maybe this isn't the right place for you?

Well tonight i will try WILD again as i have foundd a new set of challenges for my lucid dreaming which i found interesting from this site.

I may have stepped on some WILD fans toes but whocares, its just an opinion. Im entitled to it and so are you.

I may have stepped on some WILD fans toes but whocares, its just an opinion. Im entitled to it and so are you.

only your opinion is wrong You not believing WILD exists because you cant have one is like not believing antartica exists because you havent been there.

Originally Posted by freefire

only your opinion is wrong You not believing WILD exists because you cant do one is like not believing antartica exist because you havent been there.

That's a good one.

WILD. I don't think that this issue with the WILD technique is addressed nearly enough.
Most people attempt WILD (Wake initiated) from the onset of going to sleep. This in itself poses some problems.
Our best REM periods to not occur this quickly.
Our conscious mind is still too active at this stage of sleep.


As it has worked for me you have to follow vague visions that manifest into more vivid scenes directly into a dream. Directly is a very quick shift in this manner.
I firmly believe that it is most effective when used with the WBTB & HIT methods.
This diminishes the issues I stated above.

It's really up to you whether you believe WILD is a successful technique or not. If you don't, then it's your loss, but don't expect the people on this forum to respect you if you're going to call half of them liars. Your reasoning as to why you believe WILD isn't successful is just awful. If you are going to say it is a load of rubbish, then at least have a good reason for saying that, rather than that you can't do it yourself.

Ok...can I just stop for a second and laugh maniacally at the complete ignorance that has been illustrated within this single thread? Anyone else laughing here? I can't take this seriously...sorry. It's just too effing funny!! Ruff...thank you for the good laugh.

Originally Posted by ruff23

can say what you like but ya wasting ya time and deluding yourself if you think laying still for hours is going to make you go into a magical lucid dream state, realy the only way to do it is to wake up inside a dream.
People can claim many things on the forum, but what i can claim is some real life techs that work and you should give them a shot if ya serious about learning to lucid dream.

You do understand, don't you, that just because WILD doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others?

All of the "techniques" you've told us about (with an air of superiority, like you're doing us a favor), are techniques that have been around for quite a while now, and that many people use regularly. People here have success with WILD regularly too.

I bet it's another admin prank. This is Seeker with an imp account playing tricks on us