Thread: Object Induced Lucid Dream (OILD)

Ahh, the quote.. it hurts. You should edit that out IMJ . We sure as hell dont need 2 of the posts in here lol.

Im sorry about the length, it takes alot for me to try to get a point across sometimes. Its almost like I have to answer all of my own questions, and Im not easily convinced at times Believe me I could have gone all night, I almost deleted it to start over once I noticed the length, but meh.

Its basically just another approach to already well known methods. I find alot of the things a bit to reliant on mental stimuli. For me if I'm super tired or have a very brief awakening.. I honestly don't really "wake up".. But the physical sensation (Or lack thereof) just triggers something in my head that goes "why is that the way it is?" And leads to awareness that would have previously been lost.

The best way I can explain it is its just simple math.. I end up preforming more reality checks, and more will fail leading to lucidity. They also happen in the most vulnerable stages of sleep, which is a great time to get used to RC'ing. This in turn will build up a more consistent reality check schedule naturally, along with produce several DILDs that you most likely would have missed out on. Its been nothing but beneficial for me.

I've found this can really help other inductions, Im sure you can see how applying physical sensations in the form of a MILD could be extremely effective. I have considered specific objects inducing styles of dreams and relaxation through incubation using a similar method, I cannot see why it wouldn't work but it will take some time to effectively find good methods of doing it. This could potentially mean the nights I put a boot on, I could wake up in a trance state ready to wild, other objects focus on recall etc. There are plenty of methods of increasing or simulating these phases already using things like auto suggestion.

This wouldn't be something that I could immediately "share" as its all about personal conditioning, but I do believe it to be a much more powerful way to work with the subconscious for me.. as its already proving to do. Im sure its bound to work for others though.

Its not necessarily an induction method, but there can defiantly be some benefits. How do you really achieve lucidity through a basic DILD? Usually you spot a Dream Sign, and reminds you to do a reality check. This is the same thing, its like a dream sign EVERY time you wake up (And occasionally in a dream) that doesnt require any conscious effort to actually get started, but the end result is the same awareness. Its hard to explain but its almost like your body automatically asks your subconscious instead of your "current conscious" having to decide whether or not to ask. Your constantly changing the object to keep surprising yourself, but the overall sign is very consistent.. Any abnormal physical sensations while waking up. This has just skyrocketed my false awakenings, and in turn has also given me alot of DILDs. (I will be running around in the dream with the object I had, a.k.a. I'll have the one glove on).

I also want to say, quite often for me my false awakenings and brief awakenings only consist of the sense of touch.. Little or no vision and hearing and such because I dont open my eyes to look around and im not actively trying to listen.. but for whatever reason I just feel things no matter what This makes it very hard to tell a false awakening from a regular brief awakening unless there is some sort of "new" physical sensation.

Sorry about the quote, it's in the reflexes... Your method reminds me of one of my own 'creations' using tactile sensation to maintain conciousness. I used a ball with suckers on it(kid's toy) so it created tactile sensation when holding on to it during sleep. It did make me question the dream reality like how did the flight of stairs disappear or why is the restroom so small. I have no valid explanation other than the tactile sensations bringing some waking conciousness into the dream state. But the draw back of using such a method is that I fall asleep slower because of the attention on gripping the ball. It also gave me an experience on how the brain shuts itself down for sleep. There was no SP, just thoughts turning into a familiar dreamscene and then flick! I'm out and dreaming already(lost conciousness) like a light switched off, it was like witnessing myself turn off.....

IMJ

I dont know the science and stuff behind it but I do believe we're just at a very crippled state of awareness during certain phases of the sleep cycle.

Its almost like you senses are cut off, but the proper stimulation just makes something click. Very similar to mental stimulation (Remembering dream signs), LD audio files, or light flashes, etc... Every single method out there follows an extremely similar pattern. The best way to approach it depends on the user.

The thing I love about this.. is its just a consistent but ever changing sign if that make sense.

Even if this helps a few people I'm happy , Only problem is I doubt anyone wants to read through that much babbling.

That is the longest post I've ever seen, but it makes a lot of sense. Everyone I've ever talked to who used a NovaDreamer, said that just the strangeness of wearing a big bulky ridiculous mask caused them to have a ton of false awakenings. This is similar to sleeping in a strange place. You are more aware of your surroundings. Do you think the object has to be something you wear? Or will a strange object in bed with you have the same effect?

Now I'm trying to imagine all the bizarre things I can sleep with. How the hell am I going to explain this to my girlfriend? "Why are you wearing a tuxedo to bed again? Why is the step ladder is in our bed tonight? Are you using that inflatable pool toy for a pillow?"

Originally Posted by Robot_Butler

Now I'm trying to imagine all the bizarre things I can sleep with. How the hell am I going to explain this to my girlfriend? "Why are you wearing a tuxedo to bed again? Why is the step ladder is in our bed tonight? Are you using that inflatable pool toy for a pillow?"

Well your on your own with that! But its definatly possible with little things.. I used a golf ball for a while. Its small, round, has a unique texture.. easy to hold. Not light or heavy but its still.. enough to let me know its there

But honestly the weirder or more abnormal the better. You don't need to be uncomfortable or anything. Im just a very deep sleeper so I can crash with just about anything going on lol

Great idea! Hope it works.

I normally don't remember waking up during the night, besides maybe once or twice a couple hours before I wake up. Am I actually waking up briefly and falling asleep more often without knowing it? Will this help me realize it?

Well, I cannot say for sure because like I said everything is all based on only my personal experiences.. So I could just be weird, but Im fairly sure almost everyone wakes up a few times a night.. consciously. But I believe I wake up alot more then that, but its literally not for more then a few seconds. You just might roll over or something to get comfortable.

Its not significant enough to wake me up, thats for sure.. but when my body adjusts in that little time frame, I feel that abnormality (Doesn't matter what it is, unless its very subtle) and that is enough to trigger something in my head that just asks "Whats different?". This just naturally leads to consciousness, and then to multiple reality checks (if needed) for me. Questioning reality in a False awakening will mean Lucid Dream unless your checks all fail. If it was a regular brief awakening I just doze back off.

I think thats kinda the main point I wanted to get across.. You dont wake up like you would normally and just decide "Oh, well I should do a reality check in case this is a false awakening." Your body questions itself without you having to consciously decide that this would be a good time to a reality check. I was always missing my dream signs using the conventional DILD method. I would see them in dreams but for whatever reason I couldnt make the connection. Its almost like if I wasn't lucid already I wouldn't really think anything of my dream signs.

So yes for me it ended up resulting in more awakenings in general, of both kind. But as I said maybe I'm very vulnerable to false awakenings. I really cant tell you whether or not to expect results.