Thread: What is FILD really? [BUSTED]

Originally Posted by adraw

Good point. The sooner you reduce the number of techniques, the better.

A big part of the reason that I chose to have the tutorials redone. Too many duplicates. I noticed that you put FILD and DEILD together in your WILD guide. And BTY, I love your flow chat.

Strictly speaking, even DEILD is a sub-type of WILD (going directly from a waking state to a dreaming state while remaining conscious). In the broadest sense there is only DILD and WILD, and various techniques for achieving each one. For example, MILD is a technique for achieving DILD, and VILD is a technique for achieving WILD. A proper hierarchy might look something like this:

Code:

            Induction Techniques
               /            \
              /              \
           DILD              WILD
           / \                | \
          /   \               |  \
       MILD  Reality Checks   |   \
                            VILD  DEILD
                                    |
                                    |
                                   FILD

This isn't complete, but you get the idea.

By the way, I'm glad that time is being taken to organize the tutorials. The old tutorials section looked quite intimidating. If we can make it more accessible, we may not get quite so many people starting threads asking what WILD is, "is this a lucid dream," etc.

Also, just thinking out loud, but when all is said and done it may be helpful to make a new Lucid Dreaming FAQ and sticky it in the newbie forum. This FAQ would be similar to the thread of the same name in the tutorial archive, but more concise, and in answering the questions it should favor linking the reader to the relevant tutorials (and Dream Views home page articles - let's please not forget those!!) rather than answering it directly in the FAQ.

I'm starting to stray off topic now, but I may PM the dream guide team with some more thoughts. I may even offer to write this FAQ up myself, but on the other hand, I am pretty busy this semester. We'll see

Sounds good. Yeah, DEILD is a type of WILD, but it's different enough to be considered its own technique. I'm thinking that FILD isn't different at all.

I agree, it's useful to distinguish between the two, especially in the context of "how-to" tutorials.

Regarding FILD, it's been a while since I've read the specifics of the technique, but I seem to remember getting the impression that it worked off a general "anchoring" principle that would be applicable outside of FILD solely. However, FILD is popular enough that I still think it deserves individual attention.

Originally Posted by DuB

Strictly speaking, even DEILD is a sub-type of WILD (going directly from a waking state to a dreaming state while remaining conscious). In the broadest sense there is only DILD and WILD, and various techniques for achieving each one. For example, MILD is a technique for achieving DILD

Yes, I'd like to point out this tutorial by BillyBob that groups the tecniques like you say. I think it can be updated with some new tecniques.




An Overview of all Lucid Induction Methods

Contents:


. "WILD"

• Mental WILDs
  
  . .▪ "Quick"
  . . . . . ◦ DEILD
  . . . . . ◦ Visual WILD
  . . . . . ◦ Tactile WILD
  
  . . .▪ "Slow"
  . . . . . ◦ Original WILD
  . . . . . ◦ HIT
  .

• Physical WILDs
  
  . .▪ "Quick"
  . . . . . ◦ FILD
  
  . .▪ "Slow"
  . . . . . ◦ FAT

. "DILD"

• WBTB
  .
  . .▪ Traditional WBTB
  
  . .▪ Chanting
  
  . .▪ Dream Incubation
  .
• Other
  
  . .▪ Traditional DILD
  
  . .▪ Increasing Awareness
  
  . .▪ Self Hypnosis
  
  . .▪ Before Bed

.

I re-read the FILD tuts and one made it sound like you just had to awake at any time during the night. The other sounded like a DEILD with wiggling fingers. I'm going to do some experimenting with this. I figured I'd try to FILD 12 times. 6 times at the end of a dream (during a REM period) and 6 times during a non-REM period. Maybe this will clear up wether it is a technique in and of itself or just a DEILD.

Well, i think you got it expained quite well.
But i'll to to explain it VERY simple. What i did is just that I got to bed and when i felt that i was beginning to drift off to sleep i just moved my indexfinger and the Phuc*you finger a little bit and then next time i opened my eyes i was at the same place, well no.
Not really, i was in the same place but in my mind

Originally Posted by Oros

Well, i think you got it expained quite well.
But i'll to to explain it VERY simple. What i did is just that I got to bed and when i felt that i was beginning to drift off to sleep i just moved my indexfinger and the Phuc*you finger a little bit and then next time i opened my eyes i was at the same place, well no.
Not really, i was in the same place but in my mind

Were you going to sleep, or were you just waking up? Because what you described sounded much a DEILD to me.

Me too

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Were you going to sleep, or were you just waking up? Because what you described sounded much a DEILD to me.

as DuB said, FILD is a kind of DEILD, but it was a FILD.