Thread: Finally, A 10 second lucid induction! Title -*MFG*

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

I admire the confidence but you don't suppose you're border lining on arrogance? I wouldn't be so sure that everyone is going to think it's the most amazing technique ever, even if it is good to some extent. Just because it works for you doesn't mean it will work as well for everyone else. But it's good you're trying to help people

Yeah. But then again it's malac, so it's nothing new.

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

I admire the confidence but you don't suppose you're border lining on arrogance? I wouldn't be so sure that everyone is going to think it's the most amazing technique ever, even if it is good to some extent. Just because it works for you doesn't mean it will work as well for everyone else. But it's good you're trying to help people

Oh trust me it does. People who slightly done it wrong, still feels its potential results. My little brother, who didn't even know what an LD was, and two of my friends, does this. I'm sure it'll work fine for everyone

Heh thanks for the advice though....

Originally Posted by Klace

Yeah. But then again it's malac, so it's nothing new.

Exactly elaborate on that. Some person that absolutely knows nothing about me, places some type of false tense on me like I'm mischievous? Grow up kid, don't act like you know me.

Visualizing is one of my strong points... wow, I'll have to try this tonight, if I remember when I wake up that is.

So I tried it last night but it was too close to the morning, with too much light out, for me to really do anything. I ended up drifting off to sleep instead. I'll try again tonight.

Wow, I had three successful attempts at this. Malac I see you're finally delivered on you're claims, lol.

Anyway, I would just like to add something. I think it is better to just try and get out of you're bed then just grab an object with you're hand. I'm most successful when instead of just trying to grab an object I try and grab something and quickly get up and out of my bed. However, you will need to do an RC when out of it.

The only way to fail this technique is not to get out of you're bed and do an RC. Also, you have to visualize.

Malac, I think you should mention something about getting out of bed, as it seems to be easier and quicker. Also, I think people are being successful with you're technique and then just waiting in their bed, which is weird.

Also, Its really easy to mistake moving you're dream hand with you're real hand.

I don't get this.

I get on the bed close my eyes and start visualizing, then I reach out my real hands and nothing happens, I'm still awake and everything.

Originally Posted by malac

Exactly elaborate on that. Some person that absolutely knows nothing about me, places some type of false tense on me like I'm mischievous? Grow up kid, don't act like you know me.

Of course I know you malac.
I've been here since you first joined the forum.
Remember that 100% technique you never shared with anyone but spent so many pages gloating and arguing about?
You also know me, I created DEILD.
Now I'm not saying this technique is bad in any way, in fact the testimonials have been glowing, so I congratulate you and I hope to try this soon.
(I can't on school days, so maybe this weekend. ^^)

K, I tried last night and past a certain point couldn't get my image to look more vivid and I kept losing it after I hit that wall because I would concentrate on makin it brighter and lose concentration on the image, I never got to the point where I was looking at my image rather than creating it, but when I kinda thought I did I reached out my arms and nothing happened... my real arms moved.

Does this only work with WBTB or do naps work too?

I don't know if I dreamed that this happened, but I did a version of this last night, and it worked!!

Originally Posted by wendylove

Wow, I had three successful attempts at this. Malac I see you're finally delivered on you're claims, lol.

Anyway, I would just like to add something. I think it is better to just try and get out of you're bed then just grab an object with you're hand. I'm most successful when instead of just trying to grab an object I try and grab something and quickly get up and out of my bed. However, you will need to do an RC when out of it.

The only way to fail this technique is not to get out of you're bed and do an RC. Also, you have to visualize.

Malac, I think you should mention something about getting out of bed, as it seems to be easier and quicker. Also, I think people are being successful with you're technique and then just waiting in their bed, which is weird.

Also, Its really easy to mistake moving you're dream hand with you're real hand.

So that means, you visualized being in your room then? That seems to only work if your in your room, right? Most of the time, people could end up anywhere in the dream world lol, so I wouldn't think they could grab something then get up from bed, unless I misread your way of doing, which I think I did.
Nice to know you and others are having LDs with success. Some who got it wrong, still had LDs, interesting. Win-Win? Anyways, I hope that everyone soon gets to the state of getting this technique down, as its very easy. Once you get it the first time, every time after will be easier.

Heh, see WendyLove already adapted to this and even made a little variation of it, if you will. Nice. Whatever makes it easier for you. There is so much in this field of the visualisation link with real movement to force your self in, that many possibilities can be found and accomplished.

For now, I would like everyone to get the first one down before they try something a little more complicated lol. Or try whichever, your guys choice

@erik Did you read my edited short version? Try making the image more clear, colorful and bright, and real. Adding more details more and more to the image helps too.

Originally Posted by Klace

Of course I know you malac.
I've been here since you first joined the forum.
Remember that 100% technique you never shared with anyone but spent so many pages gloating and arguing about?
You also know me, I created DEILD.
Now I'm not saying this technique is bad in any way, in fact the testimonials have been glowing, so I congratulate you and I hope to try this soon.
(I can't on school days, so maybe this weekend. ^^)

Yea, I remember that lol. Wonderful times......

yes, malac I did read the revised/simplified post, but I thought you still wanted the visualization to form itself out of a simple brightening, but I see what you mean and will try this again tonight, and probably every night for a while

can you elaborate on how to move your "real hands" and not actually move them in real life, causing you to snap out of your visualization? seems like a problem i'd have with this tech.

visualize like crazy...then..grab onto something... only to wake up. balls.

please elaborate.

Originally Posted by hellopotato

can you elaborate on how to move your "real hands" and not actually move them in real life, causing you to snap out of your visualization? seems like a problem i'd have with this tech.

visualize like crazy...then..grab onto something... only to wake up. balls.

please elaborate.

You will move your real hands, only when you do so you'll find that you ended up moving your dream hands. Example: Close your eyes, imagine a scenery, and then use your real hands to grab an object in that image. Do this now.

See how simple it is. Ok then, when you do the actually thing you will do the visualizing method of making an image brighter, colorful, and real to the point that you'll find yourself examining the image because it looks so real, then as soon as you do realize how vivid the image is, you would use your real hands, just like in the practice example, to catch any type of /imagery/vivid daydream/whatever imagery material and hold on to it. Then, when ya do that, you'll find yourself in a dream as if you're holding on to it. (Feels like you're forcing your way in lol) After that just stabilize or whatever you do in the beginning of an LD.

By the way: This induction method places you initially in a high quality Lucid. Great thing too is that it's easier to do the more you do it to the point where you just wake up, take a piss, search internet, walk the dog, lay in bed for 10 secs and then your in ld land lol. Or...just wake up and do it immediately... doesn't matter, as long as you're in REM and how well you can do it.

Beginners should do this close to immediately upon awaking (like 5 min or less), and after doing it like 5 times (which could be in one night), you could just do it an hour later( if you have something important or whatever to do) and during naps (If you're in REM).

Thanks for clarifying. I didn't really understand that part either.

The more I understand it, the more I can see how this would work.

heh, I'm ok with the initial title of the method. I think if I tried to get my friends into LDing, malac's fast grab would sound a lot less cooky than wilds,dilds, and milds,lol.

(my friend)" no charlie, I want nothing to do with your dilds, I'm not that way."

Originally Posted by charzard

heh, I'm ok with the initial title of the method. I think if I tried to get my friends into LDing, malac's fast grab would sound a lot less cooky than wilds,dilds, and milds,lol.

(my friend)" no charlie, I want nothing to do with your dilds, I'm not that way."

Nice to have more people try out Lding. I would assume that they're not that good with visualizing, maybe thy are.

I thought of an easier way for beginners to visualize. Just lay in bed with a random daydream that you don't have any influence on. That daydream will get more vivid and more clearer over a short amount of time. Then when they notice they're looking at a very vivid image, grab an object(not mid-air) from the imagery and hold on to it

Just curious, whats your success rate on this?
I'm going to try this tonight, and I think I have an advantage: I normally fall asleep within 10 seconds when I first try to go to sleep every night. Dunno how.

Just curious, whats your success rate on this?

I don't know about malac, however I had about seven lds since starting this. Proberly, more.

Malac, I think you're emphasis on the moving you're arm is making this technique to complicated. Also, I fail to see how you need to visualize, all you need to be is sufficently tired and slept for a long amount.

I think it more efficient just to move out of you're bed and do an RC, and don't bother with grabbing an object.

Originally Posted by malac

You will move your real hands, only when you do so you'll find that you ended up moving your dream hands. Example: Close your eyes, imagine a scenery, and then use your real hands to grab an object in that image. Do this now.

Ok this really needs explaining better.

Can you answer these questions in as few words as possible...

1) Do your real (as in physical, actual) hands EVER move in this process?

2) if your real hands do move, isn't this going to effect your ability to fall into the dream?

3) If your real hands never actualy move, but it's just an imagination of your real hands moving, then, why refer to them as your real hands?


I can see the benefit of focusing on tactile hallucinations to enter the dream, as i've always found the tactile aspect of the dream to be the first and last element of the dream to start/end.

I'm not being funny here, i just need this reworded in a way that dosn't cause confusion.

Do my physical hands ever move in this process?

Yeah I think he means your REAL hands.

But ah, got a favor to ask.
I want to try out this technique, but unfortunately my visualization skills kind of.. major suck.
So could you.. or anyone tell me how or link me a site on how to practice it.

Many thanks.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Ok this really needs explaining better.

Can you answer these questions in as few words as possible...

1) Do your real (as in physical, actual) hands EVER move in this process?

2) if your real hands do move, isn't this going to effect your ability to fall into the dream?

3) If your real hands never actualy move, but it's just an imagination of your real hands moving, then, why refer to them as your real hands?


I can see the benefit of focusing on tactile hallucinations to enter the dream, as i've always found the tactile aspect of the dream to be the first and last element of the dream to start/end.

I'm not being funny here, i just need this reworded in a way that dosn't cause confusion.

Do my physical hands ever move in this process?

No, your physical hands do not ever move. He says "real hands" so often because he is trying to make it clear that you are supposed to feel as if your physical hands are moving. They are not supposed to actually move, though.