Thread: DEILD (Dream-Exit Induced Lucid Dream)

So far I've gotten virbrations once but three times now I've felt as if I was rolling out of my bed. However, after it happens and I open my eyes I'm not in a dream. I do an RC but nothing.

Any tips?

Originally Posted by Denny22

So far I've gotten virbrations once but three times now I've felt as if I was rolling out of my bed. However, after it happens and I open my eyes I'm not in a dream. I do an RC but nothing.

Any tips?

Are we talking about DEILD here?

Yep.

For instance, last week I woke up, stayed still and pictured a scene. I then felt as if I was rolling out of my bed. It lasted around 5 seconds. The rolling stopped and I wasn't in a dream.

Originally Posted by Denny22

Yep.

For instance, last week I woke up, stayed still and pictured a scene. I then felt as if I was rolling out of my bed. It lasted around 5 seconds. The rolling stopped and I wasn't in a dream.

Don't reality check after 5 seconds, believe me you really notice it when you enter a dream, it can take up to 30 seconds, it differs from person to person.. have patience and confidence. Good luck

Another mimic technique.....

Originally Posted by malac

Another mimic technique.....

Ehh, so what Different things work for different people. Techniques like this sprouting out is a good sign. A sign of evolution, so to speak. And subtle changes might actually be big ones for somebody.

Anyway, this sounds pretty interesting. Although getting yourself to stay still and keep your eyes closed probably requires a lot of discipline. Still, I find this to be a pretty handy trick. Thanks Hopefully I can put it to good use soon.

Originally Posted by SourCherryBoy

Ehh, so what Different things work for different people. Techniques like this sprouting out is a good sign. A sign of evolution, so to speak. And subtle changes might actually be big ones for somebody.

Anyway, this sounds pretty interesting. Although getting yourself to stay still and keep your eyes closed probably requires a lot of discipline. Still, I find this to be a pretty handy trick. Thanks Hopefully I can put it to good use soon.

You sound wise thanks for the comment. It's an official technique actually, I'm just explaining it my own way.

Originally Posted by SourCherryBoy

Ehh, so what Different things work for different people. Techniques like this sprouting out is a good sign. A sign of evolution, so to speak. And subtle changes might actually be big ones for somebody.

Anyway, this sounds pretty interesting. Although getting yourself to stay still and keep your eyes closed probably requires a lot of discipline. Still, I find this to be a pretty handy trick. Thanks Hopefully I can put it to good use soon.

I assume your new to this, seeing your said "sprouting out", as if it isnt on every page you see. Yea, DEILD, works, that's true. But it would be NICE to see credentials from the original creator and not 10 different DEILDS out there with little differences as to how they sleep on there back or stomach. As you said( and its only logical), subtle differences. Even the person who made DEILD stripped it from someone( maybe on accident like he says). We need credentials, credentials, and credentials.

Control I'm not trying to offend, as you see I emphasize credit of other peoples work. It's nice that your part of the .0005% that actually tries to help others achieve lucidity than to just leech It's a sign that your dedicated to spreading the word for others to succeed and who knows, you might create some sweet ass method later on. H'mm I have an idea...

Originally Posted by malac

I assume your new to this, seeing your said "sprouting out", as if it isnt on every page you see. Yea, DEILD, works, that's true. But it would be NICE to see credentials from the original creator and not 10 different DEILDS out there with little differences as to how they sleep on there back or stomach. As you said( and its only logical), subtle differences. Even the person who made DEILD stripped it from someone( maybe on accident like he says). We need credentials, credentials, and credentials.

Control I'm not trying to offend, as you see I emphasize credit of other peoples work. It's nice that your part of the .0005% that actually tries to help others achieve lucidity than to just leech It's a sign that your dedicated to spreading the word for others to succeed and who knows, you might create some sweet ass method later on. H'mm I have an idea...

All those guides are created by people who want to share their own experience with the technique, since the experience differs it's unable to create a perfect guide. I hope that you understand what we're saying, he's obviously not new.

Isn't this basically just MILD reworded slightly (and missing it's core concept of mnemonic focus?)
I can't really see anything here that jumps out as a NEW technique at all, sorry.


Also, you seem to refer to WILD as a technique???
Isn't a WILD just a type of lucid dream. From what i've read in LaBerge's work (the guy who came up with the term WILD!)
a WILD is a Wake Initiated Lucid Dream and a DILD is a Dream initiated Lucid Dream. Those are the two types of Lucid dreams you can have. They are not METHODS they are the result of methods.

I don't like to nit pick but lets get our facts straight before trying to educate others. Otherwise it continues to spread disinformation.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Isn't this basically just MILD reworded slightly (and missing it's core concept of mnemonic focus?)
I can't really see anything here that jumps out as a NEW technique at all, sorry.

DEILD is a branch of WILD. Where you got MILD from is beyond me.

Also, since MILD requires you to wake up multiple times during the night to use Auto-suggestion, and DEILD barely has you wake up at all, I don't see the similarities.

Unless you mean the Auto-suggestion part, which is the key to MILD, while in DEILD, it's only really used to remember not to move after a REM period.

Like Control said, this is an official method, but just his version.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

DEILD is a branch of WILD. Where you got MILD from is beyond me.

Also, since MILD requires you to wake up multiple times during the night to use Auto-suggestion, and DEILD barely has you wake up at all, I don't see the similarities.

Unless you mean the Auto-suggestion part, which is the key to MILD, while in DEILD, it's only really used to remember not to move after a REM period.

Like Control said, this is an official method, but just his version.

Not sure what sources you are getting your information from.
How is DEILD official? can you please inform me of the published source, research etc?
Also you cannot have branch of WILD as it is a TYPE of lucid dream NOT a method. Unless you mean a branch of the induction methods used to induce a WILD?

As for MILD by LaBerge, here is the official definition (in LaBerges own words)

The MILD technique employs prospective memory, remembering to do something (notice you're dreaming) in the future. Dr. LaBerge developed this technique for his doctoral dissertation and used it to achieve lucid dreaming at will. The proper time to practice MILD is after awakening from a dream, before returning to sleep. (Modified from EWLD, p. 78)

1.

Setup dream recall.
Set your mind to awaken from dreams and recall them. When you awaken from a dream, recall it as completely as you can.
2.

Focus your intent.
While returning to sleep, concentrate single-mindedly on your intention to remember to recognize that you're dreaming. Tell yourself: "Next time I'm dreaming, I will remember I'm dreaming," repeatedly, like a mantra. Put real meaning into the words and focus on this idea alone. If you find yourself thinking about anything else, let it go and bring your mind back to your intention.
3.

See yourself becoming lucid.
As you continue to focus on your intention to remember when you're dreaming, imagine that you are back in the dream from which you just awakened (or another one you have had recently if you didn't remember a dream on awakening). Imagine that this time you recognize that you are dreaming. Look for a dreamsign--something in the dream that demonstrates plainly that it is a dream. When you see it say to yourself: "I'm dreaming!" and continue your fantasy. Imagine yourself carrying out your plans for your next lucid dream. For example, if you want to fly in your lucid dream, imagine yourself flying after you come to the point in your fantasy when you become lucid.
4.

Repeat until your intention is set.
Repeat steps 2 and 3 until either you fall asleep or are sure that your intention is set. If, while falling asleep, you find yourself thinking of anything else, repeat the procedure so that the last thing in your mind before falling asleep is your intention to remember to recognize the next time you are dreaming.

I do appreciate your making of this thread, although...

The DEILD is a method to induce a WILD. This is opposed to the normal WILD Induction

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Not sure what sources you are getting your information from.
How is DEILD official? can you please inform me of the published source, research etc?
Also you cannot have branch of WILD as it is a TYPE of lucid dream NOT a method. Unless you mean a branch of the induction methods used to induce a WILD?

Whoops, my bad, I meant it's official here on the forums. The member who gave it a name is Klace if you feel like looking him up.

Type, method, WHATEVER. It's a branch of WILD. The only differences is that DEILD bypasses SP and doesn't require 5-6 hours of sleep beforehand.

*sigh* I miss my copy of EWOLD. I wish I knew where it was.

Search Mfg!! Its Better!!

Originally Posted by Erikkujonson

Search Mfg!! Its Better!!

That, my friend. Is a matter of opinion.
And I thank you Control, for your elaboration on my technique. ^_^

Ah, and here he is. Good to see you back, Klace.

lol I was just sayin... and btw how many deild threads are there??

This isn't as stable as a WILD, this IS a WILD. Wake Initiated Lucid Dream.

Originally Posted by spaceexplorer

Also, you seem to refer to WILD as a technique???
Isn't a WILD just a type of lucid dream. From what i've read in LaBerge's work (the guy who came up with the term WILD!)
a WILD is a Wake Initiated Lucid Dream and a DILD is a Dream initiated Lucid Dream. Those are the two types of Lucid dreams you can have. They are not METHODS they are the result of methods.

I don't like to nit pick but lets get our facts straight before trying to educate others. Otherwise it continues to spread disinformation.

Thank you for saying this if people can't even get THAT straight...

WILD: Wake Initiated Lucid Dream. You are awake, your body goes to sleep, you keep your mind awake and go straight into a lucid dream without losing consciousness.
-One way to WILD: VILD- by visualizing a scene
-One way to WILD: DEILD- by not moving when you first wake up, using the fact that you are still on the threshold of sleep to make WILDing easier
DILD: In some way, shape, or form, you become lucid while you are already in a dream.

You can use any technique. If people aren't dedicated or thoughtful enough to go, "Oh wow, maybe I'll combine autosuggestion with MILD to wake up after every dream and remember not to move, then I can try to DEILD by combining it with a method like VILD and visualizing _______, then maybe I"ll get a lucid dream!" or some similar combination/experimentation, then mehhhh.

Anyway, if you are just trying to pass on your advice of how you use the technique, maybe make the title HOW I DEILD/VILD or something. It's less misleading.

Originally Posted by Snowy Egypt

Whoops, my bad, I meant it's official here on the forums. The member who gave it a name is Klace if you feel like looking him up.

Type, method, WHATEVER. It's a branch of WILD. The only differences is that DEILD bypasses SP and doesn't require 5-6 hours of sleep beforehand.

*sigh* I miss my copy of EWOLD. I wish I knew where it was.

Perhaps i'm nit picking too much, but i really don't think so.
It is absolutely vital that the information out there on Lucid Dreaming is clear, unconfused and educated. Coming up with endless "new" techniques ending in "ILD" just because it sounds like the ones LaBerge came up with (and so the writers of these "new" techniques feel all special and important) is just confusing and pointless.
Lucid Dreaming is a pretty new subject as far as the public are concerned, and there is already SO MUCH nonsense and NewAgeism attached to it that it's very hard to discuss clearly, because people won't take us Lucid Dreamers seriously if they do a search online and find endless misinformation and pseudoScience attached to the subject.

It is VERY flippant to say "type, method WHATEVER"
THIS is a VITAL difference. It's as important a point as, for example, in martial arts Kung Fu and Karate are TYPES of martial arts, whilst Punching, kicking, blocking etc. are methods used by martial artists.
Would you take an expert in Martial Arts serious if you asked him "Which branch of Martial Arts are you trained in?" and for him to answer "Oh kicking and punching." Of course you wouldn't. Why should we have lower standards than every other subject on the planet?

If I wish to achieve a Lucid Dream, which can be ONLY either a DILD or a WILD. I can use many different techniques. If however you think that WILD is a technique, then you are already confused and how is that going to help?
Lets try to remember what Lucidity is here... Lucidity is clarity, knowledge and awareness. So let's be lucid in our waking lives to please?
Lets keep our conversations and the information we share with each other clear, knowledgable and aware too!


As Shift points out, why bother creating "new" methods which are just combinations of already existing methods? Any thinking person should be doing this as a matter of course. I combine methods all the time, I do not however then come and post them on forums pretending i've invented something new.
Perahps we should come up with a new term for hybrid methods?
Perhaps something like "Cocktail" or "Hybrid" and use these terms rather than creating endless "new"(but not really new, just a hybrid) techniques.


I would absolutely not consider DEILD to be a new lucid dreaming method.
The idea of simply staying still after waking up from a dream is mentioned in almost all Lucid Dream literature. Not as a method, simply as a basic premise of how sleep and dream physiology operates. It's basic common sense.
Saying that not moving after waking from a dream is a method, is about as silly as saying that not opening your eyes, or not going and having a coffee after waking from a dream are methods to help you reenter a dream.

A method should be something that is essentially different or new behaviour that increased the likelyhood of lucid dreaming. Something well thought out, isn't common sense, and has the research and experience of more than one individual to demonstrate it not simply being placebo or a unqiue function of the individuals psychological makeup.

To me (and i expect most other thinking people) if i wake up from a dream and want to reenter it consciously, it make complete common sense to stay still.

One last thing,
In response to snowy eygypt "The only differences is that DEILD bypasses SP and doesn't require 5-6 hours of sleep beforehand."
How?
The name DEILD itself implys that you have to wake from a dream. How do you do that without already having been asleep? Other than napping, im guessing most people will have had several hours sleep before having the chance to reenter a dream.
Also bypasses sleep paralysis? Impossible.
Sleep Paralysis is a basic function of REM stage sleep. Any WILD induced by whatever method you can think of will have some degree of SP. The only difference being how noticable it is.

Again. These are basic obvious facts. It is vital to be educated before trying to educate others. Anything else is irresponsible and takes the subject of Lucid Dreaming backwards not forwards.

So in short. I really don't see anything in DEILD that isn't just basic common sense. It isn't a technique it's a observation of sleep physiology.

I think its fair to say the DEILD is indeed a WILD.
But I think the distinction is worthwhile.

WILD requires time and focus. It takes a while for you to put your body to sleep.
DEILD, you wake up, your body is already asleep.

From these points WILD and DEILD are indeed the exact same thing.

One point of interest ,DEILDs probably happen most when exiting a LUCID dream.
In a LUCID dream you will know the dream is ending (fading out, feeling your body) and can prepare to Not Move once your back in your sleeping body.

I suspect that not moving when you wake up from a normal dream is much harder.

I appreciate what you are saying Moonshine, yet i don't think that DEILD is really a distinct method. Everything i've ever read about WILD (especially in the case of people like LaBerge, and in hardcore literature such as "Conscious mind, sleeping brain") already makes these points.

It's not that DEILD dosn't make sense, it's just that I don't think it requires a whole section itself.

To look at it another way.
A Wake Initiated Lucid Dream (WILD) requires two things;
Firstly that you are awake, secondly that you are going to enter a dream without loosing consciousness.

It goes without saying that if you have just woken from a dream then your body and mind are as close to dreaming phsycialy and psychological as can be, so reentering that state is going to be easier than if you are just going to try and have a WILD in the middle of the day.
It is also pretty obvious that if you have just woken from a dream, any behaviour that is closer to waking than sleeping is going to be counterproductive (opening your eyes, talking, moving, having a drink etc.)
because they will start to pull your body and mind further from the relaxed state that dreaming requires.
HOWEVER, sometimes, in the right circumstances (say waking at 4am in the morning) you may find that getting up and having a glass of water will actually be beneficial because it may activate the awareness centers of the brain yet you're body is still tired enough to reenter sleep (because it's 4am and well your sleep pattern is used to being asleep at this point.)

Basically if you understand what a WILD is, then finding ways to help yourself induce them is really a matter of becoming aware of how your own mind and body work. If you are someone who once you've woken up finds it very hard to fall back to sleep, then staying still may well be very helpful, however if like me you can easily slip back into sleep after getting up (even for a good hour or two) then other methods such as counting yourself to sleep (whilst remaining reasonably still, as long as you are comfortable) are just as effective.

It's all about realising that each individual is different.
That's why i prefer researched methods, because in general they are tested on many people and the factors that are in common with all of those people are the ones that are taught. This way individual differences are eliminated as much as possible.

Staying still after having awoken from a dream CAN be a great habit to form because in the right circumstances it'll result in the dream reforming. Is it a method that deserves it's own title?
I don't really believe it is.
I'd say it is better of being considered a Lucid Dreaming Tip or Hint.

Spaceexplorer.... thank you for saying everything that I have just been too damn nice to say. I think my level of exasperation just plummeted realizing that someone else feels the same way I do reading the posts on this forum that are just so... wrong

I don’t think that you’re nitpicking. People need to understand these things and if they are going to make statements, make ones that are correct and logical. It’s one thing to have your own misconceptions and keep them to yourself, but to create a “tutorial” and then provide misinformation is something DV just shouldn’t allow. It’s not fair to the members and especially the people just becoming familiar to lucid dreaming and anyone who wants to see it accepted by the public. And yea, I want to slap everyone who puts “ILD” at the end of something. UGH.

I call lucid dreams where you never lose consciousness WILD, but I also call the process of falling asleep without losing consciousness to enter a lucid dream "WILDing". So I see WILDing as a huge, all-encompassing process where you retain consciousness to enter a lucid dream, and everything else as a derivative means or method of keeping your mind focused while achieving that. So I think that WILDing is a process, to WILD. Just as becoming aware that you are dreaming is the critical process in achieving a DILD.

The only thing I disagree with though is saying that DEILD isn't a "method", because the common person who needs to learn to LD has no idea about sleep physiology and can in fact learn it as a method to help them get lucid because otherwise it isn't a behavior they'd really engage in. Before I came on here, I had no idea about sleep paralysis really, or even what a WILD is so it never occurred to me to try to go back to sleep without moving to chain dreams. My thinking was, "Well I'd better move around and get comfortable as possible so that I can fall back asleep faster so that I can try to realize I'm dreaming in my next dream!"

How we should present it is: "You wake up from a dream, go back to sleep, and try to keep your brain conscious so that your body falls asleep around you and you go straight into a lucid dream." Then you could add on helpful details like "moving as little as possible will help make it easier to get back into SP", etc. or "to prevent yourself from getting distracted or bored and falling asleep, try something like VILD.

Hi shift!

Thanks for that, i was starting to wonder if my being in this forum was a good idea. Misinformation on Lucid Dreaming drives me crazy!
I love the subject deeply and want it to be shared with as wide an audience as possible. So I want it to come across as coherent, sensible and a mature subject.

I apologise to anyone who thinks im being too harsh a critic, but it's not a personal issue. I simply want things to be correct. Forums and the internet are great tools for sharing ideas, but they can also quickly descend into hives of misinformation and power struggles.

I agree with everything you've said thier Shift,
Perhaps DEILD could be considered a method in the context you describe.
I still prefer to think of it in the realm of a hint or tip to use alongside other methods.

To be honest,
What is most important is that the facts are clear so that people new to the subject don't get bogged down or confused. I'll do my best to share what i know to be solid LDing facts, and i'll not be shy when i see misinformation, even if it does require putting a few noses out of joint by being blunt.

We're all here to learn and grow, lets do it in the most sensible, mature way possible. I know we all want to teach and feel like experts, because it feels nice to seem important. BUT if we don't make sure we have our facts straight first, then it's our own fault alone if someone picks up on these points. I'm happy for people to do the same with me when i'm wrong, and i'll do the same when i notice other people are wrong. That way we all grow and it dosnt become some kind of race to be "the expert", instead it's team work.