Thread: How can a natural avoid becoming lucid every night?

That has already been said. And frowned upon, I think.

I'm all for the passive view idea, but see if something like this works. Since she's a natural, she should try to make the next LD she has a regular dream. It sounds like she has good control from what I read. (Of course I skimmed, though)

I don't know, but doing something like that seems like it would work to me.

Originally Posted by TheMoon

As much as i would love to have fun with what you just said, i'm not because i'm really trying to get some help for my friend. So if you don't have something productive to say....

Please stop posting... Thank you

Seconded. Arne, please post helpful links or suggestions or don't post at all.

Moon, there are a lot of threads on this, though I don't have the time to dig them up. They have a lot of suggestions like working on dream control, then teleporting to a location that you find very relaxing. Maybe a bath, maybe a hammock on an tropical island, etc., and just relaxing in the dream. Have her try something like that and see if it at least makes the lucids relaxing and her feel well rested.

Originally Posted by Shift

Seconded. Arne, please post helpful links or suggestions or don't post at all.

May I ask you how you can be so sure that that's not going to be helpful? I know what I'm talking about with regard to that, and you don't. I'm putting it out there. I'm saying, do this and see what happens. Doesn't that strike you as pretty confident? If it doesn't, it should. If I told her to eat a breadstick before bed, I'd have to be pretty confident to post something like that, wouldn't I?

Have a look at my blog, and see whether I strike you as a fool.

And regarding antihistamines, aspirin, sleeping pills, etc. -- I've had many LDs after taking them, so if there's any useless information being offered in this thread, it's that.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

May I ask you how you can be so sure that that's not going to be helpful? I know what I'm talking about with regard to that, and you don't. I'm putting it out there. I'm saying, do this and see what happens. Doesn't that strike you as pretty confident? If it doesn't, it should. If I told her to eat a breadstick before bed, I'd have to be pretty confident to post something like that, wouldn't I?

And regarding antihistamines, aspirin, sleeping pills, etc. -- I've had many LDs aftr taking them, so if there's any useless information being offered in this thread, it's that.

I don't now and I don't really care. What we expect to happen tends to in our lucids, so you being confident doesn't really mean anything, and on top of that lots of people post things without really considering them or knowing that they will have an effect, let alone being confident. More importantly, the original poster asked you to stop, so I am backing him up. Unless you have any helpful suggestions regarding preventing her from having lucid dreams with such frequency. You've stated your idea.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

Have a look at my blog, and see whether I strike you as a fool.

No need, I've already read your posts and made my assessments.

There were no survivors.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

>>Its not a matter of wasting lucid dreaming time, when you have been doing it your whole life.
I think it becomes more of as, not wanting to have to be awake all the time.<<

I'll tell you what. Have her do my task. The next time she has an LD, have her shout out as loudly as she can, "Cynthia Gonzalez, what is Minarez?'' (Minarez is pronounced min-ARE-ez.)

PM me the answer that comes back to her, and we'll see what can be done from there.

I read your blog.
I read it last week when it was empty.
I read it today when it had one post.

It's as egoistic as the rest of your posts here.

Of particular hilarity:

"I don’t believe that na&#239;ve people deserve to be abused."

"I won’t sell you garbage and tell you it’s gold."

"I don’t think that anyone who refuses to play the game should be punished for it."

"I’m not interested in beating anyone at anything."

"I asked a man who had served five years in prison for manslaughter what the people behind bars were like. He said, “A lot of them are OK. More than you might think. But most are born losers who think they’re hot shit. That’s usually what is it – people who can’t accept that the best thing for them would be to just put their heads down and work.”"

"...You’ll probably never see a beautiful young woman doing a dirty and low-paid job. Even if such a woman is dull, unpleasant and deranged, some man who is able to support her financially will do so. And if she owns a mirror, she knows it.

...Female intelligence levels are more clustered around the norm than male levels are, meaning that there are more very bright and very dull males than there are very bright and very dull females. This partially explains why more males than females are sitting in corporate boardrooms, and also why more males are sitting behind bars.

In a perfect world, males would be put into suspended animation between the ages of 12 and 25."

"Beware the person who claims to know how you feel about things, and who objects to your alleged feelings."

"The average person is more interested in promoting his point of view than he is in developing it. This means that he’ll do more a lot more talking than listening."

"First impressions are important -- and usually wrong. Never lock yourself into one."

"When someone who’s in charge of you tells you to do something you think is stupid, there are times when you should just shut up and do it. That’s because you have to choose your battles carefully in an organization, or you won’t thrive. Besides, if you don’t basically trust the judgment of the person in charge, you need to go elsewhere."

"Feedback is one thing, but stupid objections are another."

"It's no sin to lose a fight. But it is a sin to lose a fight, seek a rematch, and fight the same way the second time around." (ahem, arne's comments in this thread...)

".Many people's preferred method of debate is just to stake out a position and adamantly promote it. But this is not a means to arrive at sensible conclusions. It's just a power struggle."

"No matter how smart you might be, any stupid person will feel perfectly free to accuse you of being stupid"

"The biggest problem with stupid people isn't that they're stupid. It's that they don't know they're stupid. You should never interact with a stupid person in a deep way unless it's unavoidable."

So on that last note... so long Mr. Sucknadsem.



EDIT: Blessed is the ignore list...

This is pitiful

Arne is henceforth on my ignore list until his eventual ban.

At thread starter: Take what advice agrees with your common sense in this thread as a starting point and talk with her. Devise a strategy from there.

Originally Posted by arne saknussemm

That depends on what happens in the dream. Something happened to me once in an LD that left me wiped out and staggering around for a day and a half.

It has been proven and documented that Lucid dreams tire no more or less than a normal dream.
So it could well have even been a normal dream, and you would have been the same.

QUOTE: "The average person has seven normal dreams per night, each lasting up to 45 minutes. During that time, the brain is highly active in REM sleep.
When you become lucid the level of brain activity does not increase noticeably. So lucid dreams are no more physically demanding than normal dreams.
What's more, lucid dreaming is much more exciting than normal dreams. When you wake up after a lucid dream, you are likely to feel happy, inspired and energized.
Compare this to normal dreams (or even nightmares) and you can see why lucid dreaming has so many powerful life benefits!"
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...aq.html#tiring

PM me the response and I will deliberate on your answer.

I'm wondering if the problem is not in fact related to the lucid dreaming. It sounds like she may simply suffer from insomnia. Plenty of people have regular lucid dreams and do not suffer from it. Lots of people suffer from insomnia however so it may pay to look into solutions for insomnia eg - is the room dark enough? temperature comfortable? good airflow? comfortable bed? no caffeine after 4pm, winding down before bedtime with a relaxing book or meditation, etc etc I suggest you google it.

Another thought... If she is waking up feeling tired and unrefreshed she possibly may suffer from sleep apnoea.

No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

Someone might have suggested this already (I didn't read the whole thread), but mabye she could try going to sleep again in the dream, with the expectation of having a normal dream?

Also, if you could get your friend to describe in detail what she experiences nightly (not including, of course, the content of the dreams themselves, just her experiences on falling asleep, waking up, entering and exiting dreaming etc), I think that the information would be very much appreciated by those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

Originally Posted by Tanface1220

No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

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Originally Posted by TheMoon

She has slept normal sleep once in a while.

Originally Posted by archdreamer

[...]those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

one of those "grass is always greener" kinda thangs...

she should go to sleep in her LD's.
like..find a bed and nod off.

Considering the evidence that constant lucidity isn't necessarily tiring, perhaps your friend is stuck in a self-fulfilling prophecy. If she believes that lucid dreams are exhausting, then they probably will be due to belief, which provides more evidence for believing it to begin with. Quite the vicious circle. She needs some way to break this chain, but I can't think of a way to do so at the moment.

As others have said, try losing lucidity on purpose. All she has to do for that to happen is become involved in the plot of the dream, ignoring the fact it is a dream. She should pretend that it is all real, and eventually she will forget she is only pretending.

I'd like to kick her ass.

I can't believe it! The FSM is here! FSM you are my one true God (although I also worship the Invisible Pink Unicorn sorry, I hope you don't mind it's just I don't like to put all my eggs in one basket you know?)

You should listen to the Flying Spaghetti Monster coz He is our creator and knows everything. Wow I feel so privledged to have been touched by your noodly appendage!

As you were folk...

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

touched by your noodly appendage!

ew...

Ask her what her lucid dreams usually consist of. Having lucid dreams you can do anything you would like to, I don't see why would would want to get rid of that.

Maybe her lucid dreams have something symbolic in them, something she doesn't realise and it could be a message telling her something is wrong in RL.

People keep saying that "you" are the best analyser of your own dream. Tell her to go into a lucid dream and try as hard as she can to find out what the dream is trying to tell her.

Arne was right, to get rid of this she has to go back into her lucid dream. Asking dream characters is a possible way of finding out what is wrong in the dream, your subconscious usually comes up with the answers so it could possibly give her the answer straight away. If she was to confront or simply yell into the air at God (God being one that sees and knows all according to the dream) in her dream or by finding herself in her dream and asking herself, I think she could get an answer to why she feels restless.

It could turn out that it is something completely different like a virus in her system and she might blame the lucid dreams for some reason.

By finding out what she is lucid dreaming about we would be able to know why she is blaming it on the lucid dreaming, or just ask her why and get back to us.

I think I agree with some of whats said in here, she has more of an insomniac related problem. But she is still falling asleep, just not very deeply.

Originally Posted by Shift

Moon, there are a lot of threads on this, though I don't have the time to dig them up. They have a lot of suggestions like working on dream control, then teleporting to a location that you find very relaxing. Maybe a bath, maybe a hammock on an tropical island, etc., and just relaxing in the dream. Have her try something like that and see if it at least makes the lucids relaxing and her feel well rested.

I will look up those suggestions later when i get home from work.

I don't think the problem is for her that the lucid dreams are not relaxing. She just doesn't want to have to be lucid every night. From what she says, she would like to have normal sleep once in a while as well.

Originally Posted by DreamChaser

It has been proven and documented that Lucid dreams tire no more or less than a normal dream.
So it could well have even been a normal dream, and you would have been the same.

QUOTE: "The average person has seven normal dreams per night, each lasting up to 45 minutes. During that time, the brain is highly active in REM sleep.
When you become lucid the level of brain activity does not increase noticeably. So lucid dreams are no more physically demanding than normal dreams.

Lucid dreams may not be physically demanding, but they most certainly are mentally. At least i know that first hand.

From what she has told me, she goes to sleep at night feeling tired. Lucid Dreams all night, then wakes up in the morning just as tired.

Normaly dreams you don't really participate in, in the same way as a lucid dream. I know in a lucid dream, parts of your brain which would normaly be shut off durning the night, are no longer off.

Such as the awareness of whats going on around you.

What's more, lucid dreaming is much more exciting than normal dreams. When you wake up after a lucid dream, you are likely to feel happy, inspired and energized.
Compare this to normal dreams (or even nightmares) and you can see why lucid dreaming has so many powerful life benefits!"
http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...aq.html#tiring

PM me the response and I will deliberate on your answer.

Yes they are exciting and fun, to us normal people. To someone who has been lucid dreaming there whole life. Im sure at some point the thrill of it goes away.

Originally Posted by DreamQueen

I'm wondering if the problem is not in fact related to the lucid dreaming. It sounds like she may simply suffer from insomnia. Plenty of people have regular lucid dreams and do not suffer from it. Lots of people suffer from insomnia however so it may pay to look into solutions for insomnia eg - is the room dark enough? temperature comfortable? good airflow? comfortable bed? no caffeine after 4pm, winding down before bedtime with a relaxing book or meditation, etc etc I suggest you google it.

Another thought... If she is waking up feeling tired and unrefreshed she possibly may suffer from sleep apnoea.

No i don't think she has a problem going to sleep at night.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_apnoea

I will tell her about this of course. Or she will read it

Originally Posted by Tanface1220

No offense, but if she has a lucid every night, how does she know how restful normal sleep is? Maybe she's just not getting enough sleep in general?

Shes slept normal sleep on some occasions. She doesn't lucid dream 100&#37; of the time, once in a blue moon she gets a normal dream which doesn't become lucid.

Originally Posted by archdreamer

Someone might have suggested this already (I didn't read the whole thread), but mabye she could try going to sleep again in the dream, with the expectation of having a normal dream?

Also, if you could get your friend to describe in detail what she experiences nightly (not including, of course, the content of the dreams themselves, just her experiences on falling asleep, waking up, entering and exiting dreaming etc), I think that the information would be very much appreciated by those of us who are still struggling to become like her, if it would not be too much trouble.

Shes already tried that, in fact i suggested that to her before i even made this thread, that she should try and fall asleep in the dream lol. She told me she has and it doesn't work. She said it in fact turns into something like a false awakening.

I can, or i could try to convince her to come post here herself. Which id rather her come talk first hand of course.

Originally Posted by benTENDO

Ask her what her lucid dreams usually consist of. Having lucid dreams you can do anything you would like to, I don't see why would would want to get rid of that.

Maybe her lucid dreams have something symbolic in them, something she doesn't realise and it could be a message telling her something is wrong in RL.

People keep saying that "you" are the best analyser of your own dream. Tell her to go into a lucid dream and try as hard as she can to find out what the dream is trying to tell her.

Arne was right, to get rid of this she has to go back into her lucid dream. Asking dream characters is a possible way of finding out what is wrong in the dream, your subconscious usually comes up with the answers so it could possibly give her the answer straight away. If she was to confront or simply yell into the air at God (God being one that sees and knows all according to the dream) in her dream or by finding herself in her dream and asking herself, I think she could get an answer to why she feels restless.

It could turn out that it is something completely different like a virus in her system and she might blame the lucid dreams for some reason.

By finding out what she is lucid dreaming about we would be able to know why she is blaming it on the lucid dreaming, or just ask her why and get back to us.

I will have her read this and I will, or she will respond.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

I think I agree with some of whats said in here, she has more of an insomniac related problem. But she is still falling asleep, just not very deeply.

Well she has taken Tylenol pm and other such drugs to try and help her sleep better but she said none of it works. She still becomes lucid.




I have to head to work soon however i'm sure she will read what everyone has posted. I will get back to you guys later tonight.

Thanks for all the help so far.


Edit: Also one last thing, from my own personal experience with lucid dreaming. After i lucid dream, yes i wake up feeling happy excited and refreshed. But i also feel mentally drained. Being awake in your dreams has to take some kind of extra energy that a normal dream wouldn't.

I can only assume that for her, waking up after a lucid dream doesn't make her happy excited or refreshed. Mainly because for her that's a natural routine. Its something that happens every night. So i don't think its as fun or exciting for her as it is for normal people.

Really? My blog is "stupid?" A lot of people have read it, and Mad Hatter is the first person who has ever said so. Well, you can't please everyone.

As to what the things in your dreams really are -- you only have to have lucid dreams to find that out. When you do that, it's easy to learn.