Thread: Partial Sleep paralysis

Originally Posted by Thor

I'm not asking how you know what sensations you had; you obviously do know that. I'm asking how you know those sensations were REM atonia. Did you go to sleep with EEG and H-reflex monitoring?

LOL Do you go to sleep with EEG and H-reflex monitoring Thor?

Laberge, who conducted significant research on sleep and dreaming states, very clearly that these are sensations you experience when entering Sleep Paralysis.

There are a significant number of people who describe the same sensations as they enter a dream. They experience these sensations. They enter a dream. They run around in their dream without their real bodies bouncing off the walls.

Or to put it another way, the sensations are something they observed. Observation is actually quite important in Science, wouldn’t you say?

Originally Posted by Thor

Are you at all familiar with the philosophy of science? For example, if you claim that the flying spaghetti monster exists, it is up to you to demonstrate this (the positive claim). It's not my responsibility to disprove that it doesn't exist (the negative claim). And my failure to do so doesn't support your claim.

So you’ve reiterated time and again. So if you stood up and claimed that penguins did not exist, you would have no responsibility to prove your case? It seems to me that this “claim” argument is a smokescreen.

Originally Posted by Thor

It's not enough just to invoke the name of an authority. You actually need to argue in support of your claims.

Erm, isn’t that what I and others have been doing. Offering compelling evidence which you have dismissed without providing any legitimate justification for doing so.
Apart of course from some vague assertion that because of the POWER OF SCIENCE you in fact do not need to provide evidence for your “opinions”.

Forgive me if I remain unconvinced.

Originally Posted by Thor

For describing the sensations you get when falling asleep in a WILD I'd say both are equally useless.

LOL. Yet a significant number of people find the information useful. So what does that tell you?

Originally Posted by moonshine

Laberge, who conducted significant research on sleep and dreaming states, very clearly that these are sensations you experience when entering Sleep Paralysis.

No, he said these sensations are harbingers of REM sleep paralysis.

There are a significant number of people who describe the same sensations as they enter a dream. They experience these sensations. They enter a dream. They run around in their dream without their real bodies bouncing off the walls.

Exactly: they run around in their dream with no experience of being paralyzed. Ergo there is no need to drag in any talk about paralysis, because that simply does not describe the experience. Of course you know rationally that your real body isn't moving during this experience, but that knowledge is completely unusable.

So you’ve reiterated time and again. So if you stood up and claimed that penguins did not exist, you would have no responsibility to prove your case?

That's correct. I say the abominable snowman does not exist. If you say he exists, it's entirely up to you to prove it.

Originally Posted by Thor

No, he said these sensations are harbingers of REM sleep paralysis.

and then he says
"eventually you will experience sensations like those above which will rapidly lead to complete paralysis of your physical body".

Originally Posted by Thor

Exactly: they run around in their dream with no experience of being paralyzed. Ergo there is no need to drag in any talk about paralysis, because that simply does not describe the experience. Of course you know rationally that your real body isn't moving during this experience, but that knowledge is completely unusable.

Your spinning your wheels mate. This has already been agreed. You don't need to feel SP first to enter a dream. But you will have SP (or -sigh- REM Atonia) whilst dreaming.

The fact remains, deliberately letting SP occour whilst remaining conscious is a accepted method of lucid dreaming.

Originally Posted by Thor

That's correct. I say the abominable snowman does not exist. If you say he exists, it's entirely up to you to prove it.

Thats not the example I gave thor.
To reiterate: what if you say that there are no penguins in the world. Is it up to the rest of us to disprove it? Of course not.
In this context your "claim" method is clearly a bit of a smokescreen.
Probably why you ignored the question.