Questions about WILD

[Yoavwein]

Hey, I've been trying to WILD alot recently and I can't get it to work. There's some questions I'd like to ask. Usually I feel dizzy and strange energy waves pretty quick, I'd say five minutes after laying down... but the problem is that they keep come and go and never progress into any real SP, or HH. 1) How long should it take untill SP or HH appear? Do they come only when its the right REM cycle time? (only only at round 90 minutes?) 2) If I have HH, how do I turn them into a lucid dream? So far I only had one WILD, and it was more like a DEILD.

[Rainman]

If I'm not mistaken, you're quite new to intentional induction of lucid dreams. Which is great! Glad it sparked your interest. Now, I'm going to ask you to be a little more specific with some of your questions, so that others may be more helpful. Are you usually very tired as you're going to bed? If I have been somewhat sleep-deprived over the course of a day or two, I quickly experience hypnagogic hallucinations- almost immediately. As for how long it takes, that seriously varies from person to person. And even from attempt to attempt. I've had a WILD in 10 minutes. I've also had WILDs that took nearly an hour. There are a lot of factors that have to do with your diet, and what you've done just before bed (or within 4 hours of sleeping.) There are endless ways to phase into a lucid dream once you're hallucinating. I recommend that you do some reading on some of the many great tutorials on WILDing that you can find here. Also, just read a bit about consciousness in general.. that will help you out a lot. Many WILD failures stem from over-thinking ABOUT what you're doing. Thinking is a good thing, it will keep you from losing consciousness (depending), but thinking about what's happening during the WILD, for me = failure. Read some member posts, (particularly a recent one writen by malac, though I don't remember what it's called) and see if you still have questions. If you do, tell us the specific problems you're having.

[Sopanen]

I also get very, very dizzy. It's horrible. What kind of food would you suggest us eating? How does it feel when you success a WILD? I still haven't got this. Does a dreamworld create itself in front of you, or do you just wait for something and then raise from your bed and you're suddenly in a dreamworld? Might be an obvious answer, but I'm just making sure I got it right.. Thanks

[Rainman]

Not a problem at all.. As far as your diet goes, I'm definitley not the guy to ask for that. You can find plenty of information on diets, nutrients, etc that can assist your ability to acheive dream recall and lucid dreams more easily in the "Attaining Lucidity" board, and then clicking on the Lucid Aids link. A successful WILD can feel like anything! It's different for different people, and usually different every time (I) do it. Sometimes I feel like I'm being sucked into the world and it looks like how hyperspace looks in Star Wars. Othertimes, I feel perfectly normal, as though I'm really lying in my bed, and slowly I start to sink through the bottom of my bed. Sometimes I try to roll over, and I roll "out of myself" and then I realize I'm lucid dreaming. Other times, you will successfully have a WILD, and not even know it, which is why it's ALWAYS important to RC, even if you are certain you failed. Just recently I had a WILD, where I saw hypnagogic imagery, went into sp, then it all went away, and I got mad. So I got out of bed, and tripped over something in my room because it was dark, and I fell through a table. That's when I realized I had succeeded at WILDing and began my lucid dream exploration. If someone told you that it feels a certain way, they've mislead you. It changes Don't expect a particular thing to happen each time. Every experience can be vastly different.

[Yoavwein]

Well I'm eating healthy food, doing sports so I believe I don't have to worry about this. I usually go to sleep at 11 pm, sometimes at 10, and wake up at 7 for school. My best attempt at WILD so far, lasted 70 mins, where waves and dizzines came and left but never evolved into anything more. You said that overthinking about it is a problem, I think it might be it. The problem is that if I'm not overthinking my thoughts start to drift away, and suddenlly I'm thinking "Hey! don't drift away! you're awake! you're awake, you're awake..."

[Rainman]

And therin lies the difficulty. Finding away to think just enough to stay awake, but not enough to mess up your WILD. This is done many different ways by different people, and again, it's different for everyone. Some things will work for me and not for you, others the opposite. Find a way to keep your mind occupied without thinking about the actual process of the WILD itself. I like to draw a scene in my head, focusing on every possible detail, and before I know it, I'm in the scene I drew, and it becomes super vivid as soon as I realize that I've succeeded.

[Yoavwein]

Allright, so what I shall do next time I WILD is find this place where not messing up WILD but yet staying lucid. Thanks alot! It makes sense, I couldn't progress into HH because I kept remiding myself I'm awake.

[Shift]

Hey, I've been trying to WILD alot recently and I can't get it to work. There's some questions I'd like to ask. Usually I feel dizzy and strange energy waves pretty quick, I'd say five minutes after laying down... but the problem is that they keep come and go and never progress into any real SP, or HH. 1) How long should it take untill SP or HH appear? Do they come only when its the right REM cycle time? (only only at round 90 minutes?) 2) If I have HH, how do I turn them into a lucid dream? So far I only had one WILD, and it was more like a DEILD. 1) Sleep paralysis, if it occurs, should do so just before you fall asleep. Similarly, Hypnagogic hallucinations will occur in the early early sleep stages, just as you are dozing off. Both of these are unrelated in times of occurrence to REM. SP and hypnopompic hallucinations also can occur when first awakening. If you are attempting to WILD, early on in the sleep stages. If you are holding out for entry into REM atonia, it depends on a lot of factors but mainly how much sleep you have already gotten. From some research articles I have read I am beginning to hypothesize that taking a nap about 8-12 hours before you go to bed for the night will make up a lot of your NREM sleep, and allow you to enter REM earlier during your regular sleep time. So that may affect it, too. 2) there are many tutorials on this. LaBerge's Hypnagogic Imagery Technique (HIT) is the standard. HH are not always visual. They can be auditory or tactile, I believe emotional and perceptual, and not even show up at all. The waves and etc. that you experience are probably your form of HH.

[Yoavwein]

Thanks SHIFT you answered some of the questions I was about to ask :] I guess I'll try to WILD using all your tips this weekend, it must work this time.

[Skydreamer707]

it answered a lot of my questions too so thanks! hmm but what if you never see HH? i never do and if i do i never remember seeing it....