Thread: extended non-local conscience - spell rudiments.

Hello rommany!

Welcome to the forums.

This is certainly interesting, but may do better in beyond dreaming.

Awaiting a second opinion...

WARNING :
Always regulate temperature, hydration
(not too cool)

Originally Posted by rommany

if breathing is not free and clear, consider remedy.

Stay awake for 72+ hours
make sure you are not bored while awake.
try not to day dream.
stay still during this time.
remain hungry during this time
eat small quantities of raw crunchy plants if needed.
remain as cool as to be uncomfortable.
stretch your body slowly. (yoga will work)
then let yourself drift off for 2hrs
on a hard mat or
2 seater couch that is not big enough for you to lie down comfortably.
discomfort of any kind while napping helps
be sure you are woken after 2hrs
stay awake for 4hrs
sleep for 2hrs
repeat
until you notice that you are no longer awake.
when this happen, you may feel very creepy
if you can relax into the creepiness
your in.
start off where you are as if you were awake in real time.
move on from there as needed.

This can get quite scary,
Tibetan or Hindi theology may guide you through the visions.
If you get through , you may be forgiven.

get used to sleep paralysis while waking.
Don't try this If you are a sleep walker.

A sleep walking lucid dreamer will often seem psychotic to an observer.

Sleep deprive myself for three consecutive days, starve myself, freeze myself, lie down in the most uncomfortable place I can find, then nap repeatedly until I find myself in a FA. Then again, I could also wind up being scared from not reading enough Eastern theology and experience episodes of SP while awake and seem psychotic to everyone around me...

Originally Posted by rommany

This can get quite scary,
Tibetan or Hindi theology may guide you through the visions.
If you get through , you may be forgiven.

uhhhhhh

>>>>beyond dreaming

Originally Posted by dreamingofdreaming

uhhhhhh

>>>>beyond dreaming

Originally Posted by spockman

Hello rommany!

Welcome to the forums.

This is certainly interesting, but may do better in beyond dreaming?

Awaiting a second opinion...

I concur.

If anyone feels this isn't a proper thread move, please PM me or any Dream Guide.

that's what the doc says,
but i swear it works every time

It is sleep
it is dreaming
it is lucid
it is extended

save this method for special occasions.

Originally Posted by rommany

that's what the doc says,
but i swear it works every time

It is sleep
it is dreaming
it is lucid
it is extended

save this method for special occasions.

It is also very dangerous to perform for a wide multitude of reasons.

If you remain hydrated, and do not become hypothermic
It is quite safe,
In fact it is very good for you
physically , mentally and spiritually

you can go without proper thermoregulation for about 3 hrs
you can go with out water for about 3 days (don't try this)
you can go without food, for 3 months

3 days is mild sleep depravation.
You will experience natural neuro-chemical shifts that facilitate the journey.

I don't know what extended non-local conscience is.

damn. last time i stayed up for 72 hours I got sleep deprivation and was hallucinating and hearing shit

sorry wetroof , typo ,
I mean to say consciousness

James, that sound about right
Hypnagogia is what this all about

Hypnagogic states are the doorway into lucid
dream states.

I have Hypnagogic hallucinations every time i fall a sleep
these manifest often as having clear closed eye vision
of the room that i am in
often with the ability to see in dark.

For one to remain lucid, a fair portion
of the rational mind needs to be present
slipping into a fully irrational scenario
while rational, will frighten most people allot.
the steps i outline in my post will differentiate shallow dream recall
from a truly lucid experience.

By the way,
you are alway lucid while dreaming
mostly you just forget

the discomfort is to make you keep a record
so you can remember the experience

Originally Posted by rommany

By the way,
you are alway lucid while dreaming
mostly you just forget

Thats not true, I have at times very high dream recall, and I often distinctly remember that I was thinking in the dream it was "real". Besides how would I recall so much detail from a dream and meanwhile forget I was lucid? The first thing I would recall for sure would be that I was lucid, since these experiences are so profound.

Originally Posted by rommany

By the way,
you are alway lucid while dreaming
mostly you just forget

If you mean lucid as in aware, I agree, though if you mean aware of dreaming, then I'm sceptical -- I've been aware but not aware of dreaming, and forgetting that specifically I was aware of dreaming but not other ideas/thoughts is a bit of a stretch to imagine.

lucid |ˈloōsid|
adjective
1 expressed clearly; easy to understand : a lucid account | write in a clear and lucid style. See note at sensible .
• showing ability to think clearly, esp. in the intervals between periods of confusion or insanity : he has a few lucid moments every now and then.
• Psychology (of a dream) experienced with the dreamer feeling awake, aware of dreaming, and able to control events consciously.

How does this state of dreaming compare to what you get with traditional lucid dream induction techniques? I'm very familiar with sleep deprivation, and I know it can induce some great lucid dreams. I have no doubt this method would create some great dreams. It seems a little overkill and unhealthy compared to other methods. Is the payoff worth it, in your opinion?

Originally Posted by rommany

• Psychology (of a dream) experienced with the dreamer feeling awake, aware of dreaming, and able to control events consciously.

Exactly, hence you are incorrect.

I'm not sure why people would think it unhealthy.

I feel normal dreams of which you aware
are typically phycological in there meaning.

This experience seems to be where the notions of the spirit world come from.

It can last 12 hrs,
which seems like decades
Truly epic

I am only directly aware of my own experiences, and that is what I share here.

Xetrov, i thank you for you reprimand with regard to semantics
I do not actually believe that a lucid dream is anything strange.

I guess i was in error calling it a lucid dream.
I actually term it
extended non-local consciousness

as the moderator bump this post from Attaining Lucidity
I think we all agree that my incorrectness is not relevant here
it surprises me to find closed minded dreamers here.
peace

Originally Posted by rommany

lucid |ˈloōsid|
adjective
1 expressed clearly; easy to understand : a lucid account | write in a clear and lucid style. See note at sensible .
• showing ability to think clearly, esp. in the intervals between periods of confusion or insanity : he has a few lucid moments every now and then.
• Psychology (of a dream) experienced with the dreamer feeling awake, aware of dreaming, and able to control events consciously.

I disagree that we are always lucid while dreaming in either of those two definitions. If you want my opinion on lucidity and what it may mean, I believe that there are two dreaming states which define the typical non-lucid and lucid mindset. The first, non-lucid, is a sort of 'go-with-the-flow- attitude where your stray thoughts control both the environment and yourself. So you aren't neccessarily rational. The second mind-set is more of a conciouss one, where your thoughts at the very least aren't being controlled by the dream.

But that's just me.

as the moderator bump this post from Attaining Lucidity
I think we all agree that my incorrectness is not relevant here
peace

The moving of your thread wasn't intended as an insult, I'm sure. People, especially new users, are often unaware where their thread should be for them to get the best feedback as well as what the content fits best in. Moving it to beyond dreaming is not a way to show you how much we disagree that it's valid.

i am sure that all conversations of this nature
are pure conjecture
The Dictionary will not contain the answers.

perhaps there should be a Pope
who can categorize the absurd.

i would classify
lucid dreaming as a fleeting sub set of
non-local consciousness

obe is also a subset
as is the afterlife

Originally Posted by rommany

I'm not sure why people would think it unhealthy.

I feel normal dreams of which you aware
are typically phycological in there meaning.

This experience seems to be where the notions of the spirit world come from.

It can last 12 hrs,
which seems like decades
Truly epic

I am only directly aware of my own experiences, and that is what I share here.

Xetrov, i thank you for you reprimand with regard to semantics
I do not actually believe that a lucid dream is anything strange.

I guess i was in error calling it a lucid dream.
I actually term it
extended non-local consciousness

as the moderator bump this post from Attaining Lucidity
I think we all agree that my incorrectness is not relevant here
it surprises me to find closed minded dreamers here.
peace

It's dangerous because you are sleep depriving yourself for 72 consecutive hours. Sleep deprivation for that long can induce muscle aches, headaches, muscular tremors, irritability, temporary bouts of amnesia, long periods of constant yawning, reduced internal body temperature, reduced ability to process glucose, psychological symptoms similar to that of ADHD, and impaired motor skills just to name a few symptoms.

And what is extended non-local consciousness?

there are some Anticholigenic effects on the body.
this is also the mechanism of the neuro-chemical tweek

If you had to induce this with drugs it may be dangerous, but using the method put forward, you'll be just fine.

non-local consciousness refers to a state of consciousness that is external to you physical locality, extended in this case refers to the duration of the experience

I would suggest that if you are interested, give it a try.

If not, who cares.

It's not really something that requires antagonized debate

and buy the way
On writing this I have been up for about 3days
and I feel quite lucid

during this time
I have also remained hungry
and cold

I am uncomfortable

and will get some sleep soon

Originally Posted by rommany

this is also the mechanism of the neuro-chemical tweek

The what?

3 days is mild sleep depravation .
You will experience natural neuro-chemical shifts that facilitate the journey.

I looked it up, and it appears that 72 hours is only a mild health risk, and may cause hallucinations but not much more. (Just... don't drive. Hehe.)

But even still, DreamViews and Top Cola Inc. does not endorse potential health risks including the use of un-prescribed drugs as well as sleep deprivation. Dreamviews administration is not liable to any ill-effects resulting from advice given by members of the DreamViews.com forum.

Hehe, that was just me using my overly official voice. Hehe. (-: