salvia-induced LD's perhaps?

[Immaterium]

hey guys, i was just wondering has anyone on here ever tried using salvia divinorum to try and help acheive a lucid dream? i've long been a fan of the stuff, but i'm a little wary about dreaming on it. anyone got any first hand experience or opinions? thanks in advance! a link for info on salvia divinorum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum

[Tavasion]

good luck trying to sleep while on salvia.

[Tom Dempsey]

Ya I don't get how you could possibly dream on salvia, I'm no expert, but doesn't it only last about 5 minutes?

[GameChef]

Here's a a video of someone who has done it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjyRE...e=channel_page

[JamesLD]

yeah i dont think salvia would help with lucidity, salvia is pretty fucking crazy haha

[Tom Dempsey]

Here's a a video of someone who has done it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjyRE...e=channel_page Great video! I don't think he is saying he had a dream on salvia though, he was just describing a trip he had while lying on his bed.

[Kuhnada29]

People on youtube are really using salvia the wrong way, your not supposed to just smoke and trip out on it. Shamans use it for spiritual reasons. I've read countless trip reports saying people had out-of-body experiences with it. Having their consciousness or awareness on a blade of grass or wooden door frame looking at their body and concluding that it was real.

[Awhislyle]

I don't know how one would ingest it and have it kick in while in a REM state(and them become lucid on top of that). Don't think its possible. However, I don't really see the need to be in a dream when usign salvia, The high concentrations an be enogh to make people pretty much enter dream states for a short time on their own.

[Arutad]

I have a friend who used to do heavy drugs, like heroine. He says that what it gave him was a kind of vivid dreams. Although I couldn't determine whether he was controlling anything and whether they were lucid. So I can imagine how people smoke salvia, have a trip and claim that it helps to LD. It's not helping LDing, however, it's only a trip! Imho it's totally wrong to advertise trips on an LDing forum... Especially in Attaining Lucidity forum, as if it's actually about LDing.

[Beeyahoi]

good luck trying to sleep while on salvia. Exactly what I thought when I saw the heading.

[SonatArctica]

Salvia can induce LD if smoked before sleeping or a very small threshold dose of an extract is absorbed... my friends who consume Sally report me this...i havent tried it yet but soon

[Tom Dempsey]

Salvia can induce LD if smoked before sleeping or a very small threshold dose of an extract is absorbed... my friends who consume Sally report me this...i havent tried it yet but soon That makes a little more sense, just ingesting a small amount. I'm still not sure it could last long enough to effect a dream though.

[Dream scientist]

I will only say this once. NO DRUGS!!!!! Giving your life away to drugs is NOT worth it! Just learn to naturally have lucid dreams, for your own sake. For all you know, salvia could become cocaine, or meth, or heroin.

[VividNightStalker]

thats as pretty ignorant post dream sorry to say....food is considered a drug...anything we humans consume is pretty much a "drug" Moderation is key, what happens when someone eats out of control? that drug makes them fat as hell and causes health problems. Salvia is pretty safe if used right, its very intense but does not last long. Smokeing weed,dmt,salvia is better for you then legal ciggs and some fast foods we eat...so yeah.

[Sentaku]

For all you know, salvia could become cocaine, or meth, or heroin. I lol'd

[Alt Ædende Ateist]

The first and last time i used Salvia was on a LSD/Methylone trip and it was insane. The first couple of minutes i actually thought i was in a lucid dream. I see many parallels between effects from salvia Divinorum and lucid dreams. But sleep on it? I don´t think so...

[VividNightStalker]

Your not dreaming, ur just on a trip lol waking. Herbs are the only really helpfull lucid dreaming tools. Drugs on the other hand work while your awake not sleeping. Most drugs when high you wont be able to sleep. Dxm on large doses keeps u awake all night and low does has a lil affect on dreams. dxm givin me a few lucid dreams but its super unhealthy and nasty so yeah stick to legal herbs and vitamins for your lucid dreams.

[rogueangel]

your absolutely right. Unfortunately it might become the next acid/LSD because to many idiots are getting hip to it and their hands on it. You know that Salvia is only indigenous to a small area in Oxaca, Mexico. It only came into the light a few years ago. Its definitely a spiritual drug and shouldn't be misused. I agree with the others who are saying that Salvia shouldn't be used to induce lucid dreaming. Go natural.

[Dream scientist]

thats as pretty ignorant post dream sorry to say....food is considered a drug...anything we humans consume is pretty much a "drug" Moderation is key, what happens when someone eats out of control? that drug makes them fat as hell and causes health problems. Salvia is pretty safe if used right, its very intense but does not last long. Smokeing weed,dmt,salvia is better for you then legal ciggs and some fast foods we eat...so yeah. Maybe, until you become addicted to the drugs and do nothing but trip out on them, which means you would waste your money on them and could lose your job and home. Advocating against drugs in anything but ignorant. You had a very valid point on fast food, though.

[DrunkenArse]

If you were to try it, you would want an oral dose for the purposes of lucid dreaming. Thats the best way to take it anyway. It lasts longer and has a less intense effect. That pretty much means fresh leaves which means growing your own plant. I tried to smoke for a wild once and had myself a great meditation session. I didn't remember my dreams that night at all though and I can think of no other reason that I wouldn't have. I have very strong recall most of the time and I didn't wake up to an alarm or get woken up or anything. Anybody that says that salvia is addictive doesn't know what they're talking about but I would keep it separate from lucid dreaming.

[Dream scientist]

Anybody that says that salvia is addictive doesn't know what they're talking about but I would keep it separate from lucid dreaming. Hey, that's...okay, well, I don't. I'm just against drugs in general. ...Meh... do what you want.

[ethan_hines]

Your not dreaming, ur just on a trip lol waking. Herbs are the only really helpfull lucid dreaming tools. Drugs on the other hand work while your awake not sleeping. Most drugs when high you wont be able to sleep. Dxm on large doses keeps u awake all night and low does has a lil affect on dreams. dxm givin me a few lucid dreams but its super unhealthy and nasty so yeah stick to legal herbs and vitamins for your lucid dreams. Before Salvia was a drug it was an herb just like Calea Z the only difference is Salvia puts you in the dream world right away, Calea Z helps you get there faster.

[InvisibleMan]

Salvia isn't a drug, and it still is an herb. The trip can last 5-10 minutes if you have a low extract. If you smoked like 20x or 40x, you'd be hallucinating alot longer. I have smoked salvia many times, never once tried to sleep on it, seemed like a waste of expensive salvia extract.

[DrunkenArse]

strength of the extract doesn't make you trip any longer. Salvinorin-A breaks down after about 10 minutes when you smoke it, regardless of how much you smoke. The only way to make it last longer is to get it into your system sublingually and you do that with fresh leaves and the quid method or a tincture wich I have never tried.

[Baphometslayer]

I smoke salvia at least once a month and I can attest to it's ability to aid in dreaming. While the trip is very intense and lasts for only a few minutes, the after effects of smoking salvia are one of the many reasons why it is considered a theraputic herb.` I put this to the test one time after I had stayed up for a pretty long time. I waited until I started to get that feeling where you're fatigued and your eyes begin to get REALLY heavy. I smoked a one hitter's worth of 100x. I'm not going to explain the trip because it wasn't part of my experiment. But after taking salvia you are in an EXTREMELY relaxed mood that can last for several hours after smoking it. As soon as I calmed down after the trip(It really is like going to another world), I was out pretty quickly. On this night, of all nights, I had my first WILD completely by accident. I even went in to a false awakening that was INCREDIABLY real. So real that I got up from the recliner I "woke" up in, wondered how I got in to the recliner, and climbed back in to my dream bed and promptly passed out. There's real potential here, but honestly I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone, due to the extreme nature of the effects of salvia. Some people do indeed freak out while they are tripping on salvia.