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    spaceexplorer Stop Drop and Roll. Why... 07-28-2009, 08:48 PM
    Sentaku I agree. A lot of the stuff... 07-28-2009, 09:02 PM
    spaceexplorer I just think the guy is... 07-28-2009, 09:07 PM
    Tara While his "science" is off... 07-28-2009, 09:39 PM
    spaceexplorer At least the text here is by... 07-28-2009, 09:52 PM
    Creation X are you trying to say jeff's... 08-12-2009, 05:11 AM
    Kanious I don't know why but i can't... 07-29-2009, 12:37 AM
    Sentaku He says he got all his... 07-29-2009, 01:30 AM
    Shift I agree 100% and think that... 07-29-2009, 02:53 AM
    Hukif O.o, seriously? I never... 07-29-2009, 03:14 AM
    Wildman Hmm, I too watched only the... 07-29-2009, 07:30 AM
    Kangaxx I watched like 5-6 videos,... 07-29-2009, 09:33 AM
    seriouscentaur But what does it matter if... 07-29-2009, 09:38 AM
    spaceexplorer Hmm, Dangerous way of... 07-29-2009, 10:07 AM
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    lemmefly Well, he is the founder and... 07-30-2009, 02:19 AM
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    lemmefly I dont mind. Anyone who is... 07-30-2009, 02:45 AM
    Xaqaria I watched the video, and even... 07-30-2009, 06:48 AM
    DreamQueen Yep, it does thanks :) 07-30-2009, 08:22 AM
    Suby "I agree 100% and think that... 08-08-2009, 04:25 PM
    spaceexplorer My thinking exactly.... 08-08-2009, 04:37 PM
    Suby Well... sadly, people like... 08-08-2009, 04:52 PM
    moonshine On the body testing mind... 08-09-2009, 01:59 PM
    Something Else I do think the dude is... 08-26-2009, 01:37 AM
    adraw I like your post becouse It... 08-27-2009, 09:15 PM
    Something Else I agree with everything you... 08-27-2009, 11:56 PM
    spaceexplorer Well, personally, I think the... 08-28-2009, 12:33 AM
    spaceexplorer Not actually true, the owner... 08-28-2009, 12:40 AM
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    mjstopgun When I was first starting out... 09-02-2009, 06:19 AM
    Mr Sandman Bump. I think this thread... 09-07-2009, 10:06 AM
    TheDreamKing I get his newsletter all the... 10-29-2009, 06:30 PM
    moonshine Haven't all Astral Travellers... 11-14-2009, 12:54 PM
    hardc0re lmaao, i remember watching... 11-18-2009, 10:28 PM
    Hermes| I tried it and i had my first... 11-19-2009, 11:15 PM
    Noogah ....I say he has some good... 11-20-2009, 09:28 AM
    spaceexplorer Firstly the course is aimed... 11-21-2009, 07:41 PM
    jarrhead Relate this to music. You... 01-23-2010, 12:38 AM
    FluBB haha only too true. i tend to... 01-30-2010, 09:16 PM
    Dogod Wow. I completely fell into... 04-30-2010, 08:10 PM
    kingofhypocrites It's not a scam. Just because... 04-30-2010, 11:24 PM
    coolcorbin Okay maybe its not a scam.... 08-31-2010, 10:45 PM
    chucklesx123 101 is free 05-04-2010, 01:15 AM
    Pleeb Hi, this is my first post. I... 06-10-2010, 12:10 AM
    jarrhead I personally believe the... 06-10-2010, 02:04 PM
    zhineTech just to bring this back up... 08-18-2010, 05:35 PM
    Siphorix Firstly, about 70% of his... 08-18-2010, 08:24 PM
    zhineTech i have not seen this on... 08-24-2010, 07:58 PM
    EbbTide000 It is 3am and I woke up in... 08-19-2010, 07:49 PM
    Ethereal Debrajane, Sounds like a... 08-22-2010, 10:00 AM
    Swikity I honestly think you guys are... 08-19-2010, 10:01 PM
    LucidSleeperCel Nobody here cares about the... 08-20-2010, 04:05 PM
    WanderingMind The ENDS do justify the means... 08-22-2010, 09:13 AM
    EbbTide000 101 part 7 Lucid Dream Timer... 08-22-2010, 10:00 AM
    EbbTide000 Let’s get to it :angry: ... 08-21-2010, 09:29 AM
    EbbTide000 continuing part 5 … (3:30)... 08-22-2010, 05:47 AM
    EbbTide000 (5:00) Step 11 is to do... 08-22-2010, 07:56 AM
    Ethereal What I mean is, why go... 08-22-2010, 12:55 PM
    EbbTide000 I wasn't interested in... 08-22-2010, 01:10 PM
    Sam1r Thanks so much for postings... 08-22-2010, 04:00 PM
    edge0125 Some of Nicholaus method just... 08-22-2010, 06:46 PM
    EbbTide000 How to control your dreams,... 08-23-2010, 07:01 AM
    EbbTide000 Ful Transcription of above... 08-23-2010, 07:18 AM
    EbbTide000 Part 2 of edge0125's Lucid... 08-24-2010, 04:45 AM
    EbbTide000 2nd installment of part 2 08-24-2010, 08:16 AM
    EbbTide000 Edge Each and every photo... 08-24-2010, 03:24 PM
    flight Hahah newly discovered... 08-24-2010, 04:12 PM
    EbbTide000 Thanx for posting Flight ... 08-24-2010, 04:31 PM
    zhineTech whoa. that's a lot of copy... 08-24-2010, 07:55 PM
    EbbTide000 Hi Edge Sorry that I... 08-26-2010, 06:27 AM
    EbbTide000 8 1992 video's by Rober Monroe 08-26-2010, 10:15 AM
    coolcorbin i got a youtube account all... 08-27-2010, 04:37 AM
    EbbTide000 ***Robert Monroe's "Focus... 08-30-2010, 05:43 AM
    EbbTide000 Hi Dream Viewer’s ... 09-21-2010, 06:58 AM
    EbbTide000 Ok Dream Viewers I got... 10-16-2010, 07:37 AM
    Antirealism Hey guys, I'm just a newbie... 12-27-2010, 12:37 PM
    mcwillis I would start off with Mr.... 12-27-2010, 02:09 PM
    Recidul I watched two of his videos... 12-27-2010, 09:57 PM
    Kona wow this nicholas newport guy... 12-28-2010, 04:14 AM
    mcwillis You haven't studied or... 12-28-2010, 11:30 AM
    Kona holy crap has this guy ever... 12-28-2010, 04:17 AM
    atkins513 THIS ENTIRE TOPIC WAS STARTED... 01-21-2011, 01:17 AM
    mcwillis Atkins513 why have you put... 01-21-2011, 01:54 AM
    atkins513 If a mod will move it for me... 01-21-2011, 02:00 AM
    LostOnTrains No, Im trying to point out... 01-25-2011, 09:26 PM
    atkins513 As you can see I had already... 01-25-2011, 09:45 PM
    oneironeer So, I'm a newbie to WILDs,... 01-25-2011, 12:14 AM
    atkins513 Hey Thanks for posting. WE... 01-25-2011, 12:26 AM
    LostOnTrains Hey you can't just hijack... 01-25-2011, 07:48 PM
    dakotahnok First off it's ridiculous... 02-03-2011, 09:31 PM
    atkins513 With plenty of lucidity to my... 01-25-2011, 08:52 PM
    Mzzkc Link please. 01-25-2011, 10:45 PM
    atkins513 attain-sleep-paralysis-lucid-d... 01-25-2011, 10:57 PM
    oneironeer Am I the only one who thinks... 01-26-2011, 03:29 PM
    atkins513 Realize something. I did not... 01-27-2011, 03:53 AM
    LostOnTrains Its not about the fact that... 01-27-2011, 04:14 AM
    nina I agree with LostonTrains.... 01-27-2011, 04:17 AM
    atkins513 I'm sure that if there were... 01-27-2011, 07:03 AM
    EbbTide000 Thanx Atkins513 if folks... 01-27-2011, 07:17 AM
    atkins513 I'm actually laughing as I... 01-27-2011, 07:41 AM
    LostOnTrains Here Atkins, this is for you... 01-27-2011, 02:17 PM
    atkins513 Haha. Thanks for the Chill... 01-27-2011, 09:46 PM
    Kona dear Mcwillis, what i don't... 01-28-2011, 04:05 AM
    atkins513 Not to mention that no one... 01-28-2011, 04:11 AM
    atkins513 You guys keep mentioning... 01-28-2011, 04:09 AM
    nina What if some of us prefer to... 01-28-2011, 04:21 AM
    atkins513 You obviously have something... 01-28-2011, 05:26 AM
    nina :facepalm: How the... 01-28-2011, 03:54 PM
    Kona exactly right aquanina that... 01-29-2011, 02:45 AM
    EbbTide000 Lo Aquanina At 7 I... 01-28-2011, 12:50 PM
    mcwillis I too had to pay for my... 01-28-2011, 01:14 PM
    EbbTide000 It is past midnight now here... 01-28-2011, 02:55 PM
    Kona really, Really, REALLY now... 01-29-2011, 02:54 AM
    Dannon Oneironaut Stephen LaBerge didn't invent... 01-29-2011, 12:08 PM
    saltyseedog He makes it to complicated 01-29-2011, 03:08 AM
    atkins513 I've been staying away from... 01-29-2011, 03:27 AM
    Kona dude just get out, nobody... 01-29-2011, 04:12 AM
    atkins513 Umm ok, I was being civil.... 01-29-2011, 05:20 AM
    Kona you made your point that you... 01-29-2011, 07:51 AM
    mcwillis Where does he say that in the... 01-29-2011, 11:15 AM
    mcwillis Yes you did make a very... 01-29-2011, 11:04 AM
    Arra I watched the first 2 videos,... 01-29-2011, 11:46 AM
    mcwillis Personally I wouldn't have... 01-29-2011, 12:04 PM
    atkins513 Yea I know exactly what you... 01-29-2011, 12:36 PM
    Jeff777 I guess noone uses whois... 01-29-2011, 06:37 PM
    nina I've also decided that this... 01-29-2011, 06:37 PM
    Kona i would just stay off it, i'm... 01-30-2011, 01:50 AM
    Kona DV is free 2 and you can get... 01-30-2011, 01:54 AM
    mcwillis Well if you think Nick... 02-01-2011, 03:27 PM
    atkins513 Dammit Mcwillis. The thread... 02-01-2011, 10:34 PM
    Raspberry :panic: LET IT DIE A NATURAL... 02-01-2011, 10:49 PM
    mcwillis I thought that post about... 02-01-2011, 10:52 PM
    Raspberry I was joking ;) The thread... 02-01-2011, 11:00 PM
    atkins513 Between those 2 quotes, Your... 02-01-2011, 11:20 PM
    LostOnTrains http://www.dreamviews.com/atta... 02-02-2011, 03:51 AM
    atkins513 Seriously? This is what... 02-02-2011, 04:03 AM
    LostOnTrains Ah, so you're saying it works... 02-02-2011, 05:46 AM
    Mzzkc The biggest difference... 02-02-2011, 04:02 AM
    mcwillis 1 - Both of them are experts.... 02-02-2011, 07:49 AM
    Maria92 Pharmacist in training here.... 02-02-2011, 08:41 AM
    Mzzkc Monkeys are pretty smart, yo. 02-02-2011, 04:31 AM
    saltyseedog lol. what he is saying is you... 02-02-2011, 05:52 AM
    LostOnTrains I know, I'm just joking. My... 02-02-2011, 06:13 AM
    atkins513 Apparently neither one of you... 02-02-2011, 06:22 AM
    Maria92 Imma sum up how to do WILD... 02-02-2011, 07:01 AM
    LostOnTrains Mate, I don't really know... 02-02-2011, 11:52 PM
    Maria92 If you're paying for lucid... 02-02-2011, 06:14 AM
    Kona UR DOIN IT WRONG!!! Sorry... 02-07-2011, 07:19 AM
    saltyseedog personally I think all the... 02-02-2011, 06:42 AM
    atkins513 Mario, I appreciate your... 02-02-2011, 07:17 AM
    Mzzkc Dude, you don't bother to... 02-02-2011, 08:11 AM
    saltyseedog everybody thinks they're right 02-02-2011, 11:56 PM
    Kona hahaha yeah....... that was a... 02-03-2011, 01:30 AM
    Raspberry POTATOES... 02-06-2011, 11:28 AM
    Kona yeah............. potatoes... 02-06-2011, 05:39 PM
    exoapollo I think the worst part is... 02-09-2011, 04:13 PM
    Emecom Ha ha ha I just read all 12... 02-10-2011, 05:54 AM
    EbbTide000 Philosophical argument 02-10-2011, 06:23 AM
    Bonzaii I hereby nominate this as the... 02-10-2011, 06:28 AM
    EbbTide000 Argument Clinic YouTube -... 02-10-2011, 06:31 AM
    LostOnTrains Thats just the thing. Nobody... 02-10-2011, 03:03 PM
    nina The bizarre thing is that... 02-11-2011, 04:37 AM
    Jeff777 I don't think you're mean. ... 02-19-2011, 09:04 AM
    Raspberry You could take anyone on... 02-11-2011, 08:36 PM
    saltyseedog Trust me, sometimes it does... 02-12-2011, 04:54 AM
    Alric When you google his name,... 02-11-2011, 11:03 PM
    EbbTide000 Alric Be specific, You... 02-12-2011, 12:17 AM
    Alric The first was trying to... 02-12-2011, 12:53 AM
    EbbTide000 Thank you Alric You have... 02-12-2011, 01:10 AM
    Alric Aside from the few silly... 02-12-2011, 06:23 AM
    EbbTide000 There was much more to Nick... 02-18-2011, 02:06 PM
    Jeff777 ..What? 02-19-2011, 09:03 AM
    Raspberry Jeff, I agree with you on... 02-19-2011, 02:59 PM
    EbbTide000 Jeff and Raspberry I don't... 02-20-2011, 01:05 AM
    iFatal I love how this thread just... 02-20-2011, 01:19 AM
    EbbTide000 $35 American Lucidology 102. 02-20-2011, 01:41 AM
    Kona sorry but for some of us $35... 02-21-2011, 06:56 AM
    iFatal Has anyone here looked at the... 02-20-2011, 01:52 AM
    Maria92 Let me state this again. $35... 02-20-2011, 03:57 AM
    mcwillis That is utter tripe. Where... 02-20-2011, 04:01 PM
    Maria92 You know, these certainly... 02-20-2011, 06:59 PM
    nina Newport must love people like... 02-20-2011, 04:51 AM
    EbbTide000 Aquanina Just for the... 02-20-2011, 05:09 AM
    Maria92 1. Welcome to the internet.... 02-20-2011, 05:23 AM
    iFatal It's not like i'm going to... 02-20-2011, 04:59 AM
    EbbTide000 Mario92 Actually, Mario92,... 02-20-2011, 05:31 AM
    saltyseedog It hurt my feelings too 02-20-2011, 05:48 AM
    nina :facepalm: 02-20-2011, 11:04 AM
    nina Completely agree...I also... 02-20-2011, 07:18 PM
    Jeff777 Nick Newport is smart, I'll... 02-20-2011, 10:36 PM
    Kona completely true!!!!!!!!! i... 02-21-2011, 06:47 AM
    Xaqaria I responded to this thread... 02-20-2011, 07:30 PM
    Raspberry Oh I LOVE the way that was... 02-21-2011, 12:22 AM
    Raspberry Originally I was very... 02-21-2011, 09:03 PM
    Kona yeah either DV or EWLD which... 02-23-2011, 12:19 AM
    EbbTide000 Sorry I am deleting post... 02-25-2011, 11:43 PM
    saltyseedog I'm on your frequency!!! ... 02-26-2011, 04:44 AM
    EbbTide000 1 Saltyseedog How do you... 02-26-2011, 06:03 AM
    saltyseedog Omg I'm tired and confused by... 02-26-2011, 06:10 AM
    EbbTide000 Ok Saltyseedog The thread... 02-26-2011, 07:37 AM
    Mzzkc I'm all for intense paranoia... 02-26-2011, 06:34 AM
    EbbTide000 The Beach is between the... 02-26-2011, 06:51 AM
    EbbTide000 wow (!!!) 02-27-2011, 01:50 AM
    EbbTide000 Thanx Saltyseedog it is... 02-26-2011, 06:21 AM
    saltyseedog cool its like 9:25 here but I... 02-26-2011, 06:29 AM
    saltyseedog Everything is imaginary in a... 02-26-2011, 06:59 AM
    EbbTide000 No, saltyseedog Not... 02-26-2011, 07:46 AM
    Wrighty I would advise everyone to... 02-26-2011, 04:41 PM
    Dunchfastmo i found the roll over graphs... 02-26-2011, 11:18 PM
    Raspberry ... Pm? 02-27-2011, 06:30 PM
    Maria92 HAL 9000 - Wikipedia, the... 02-27-2011, 08:16 PM
    LucidPower I think we should organise a... 02-28-2011, 01:45 AM
    iFatal Haha we would need a good... 02-28-2011, 03:02 AM
    Jeff777 Take it a to a PM fellas. If... 02-28-2011, 04:14 AM
    Maria92 No....you really don't. Just... 02-28-2011, 05:02 AM
    EbbTide000 Wow! Mario 92 (and the rest... 03-01-2011, 02:46 AM
    Kona um...... uh............ what... 03-02-2011, 06:44 AM
    Maria92 I have no idea, other than... 03-02-2011, 07:28 AM
    Kona i cant make any sense out of... 03-03-2011, 02:56 AM
    Sarge_Maximus2 Ok, so I just found this... 03-03-2011, 02:47 PM
    Kunal19 :panic:lucidology 03-01-2011, 03:10 PM
    Raspberry It was most likely placebo... 03-03-2011, 08:15 PM
    Maria92 Agreed. Sarge, you also seem... 03-03-2011, 10:33 PM
    Sarge_Maximus2 Ok... can you elaborate? What... 03-04-2011, 04:22 AM
    Mzzkc I lawled. 03-04-2011, 04:54 AM
    Maria92 Well, you mentioned inducing... 03-04-2011, 04:56 AM
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    EbbTide000 Help! 3 folk have sent... 03-04-2011, 05:52 AM
    Raspberry Well, as it says, if you want... 03-04-2011, 10:29 PM
    Jeff777 Visit meta much? Lol. ... 03-04-2011, 10:45 PM
    EbbTide000 Well I'm not most people,... 03-05-2011, 12:42 AM
    Raspberry Umm... Ok. I was trying to... 03-05-2011, 01:07 AM
    TheUncanny I think there is some... 03-06-2011, 07:42 PM
    Hukif Sorry to ruin it for you, but... 03-06-2011, 11:18 PM
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    Kona the thing is is that he calls... 03-09-2011, 01:44 AM
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    Hukif But I like doing that stuff!... 03-08-2011, 11:37 PM
    EbbTide000 Hi W U wrote: the thing... 03-09-2011, 02:57 AM
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    Raspberry I don't understand any of... 03-13-2011, 03:20 PM
    Kona hahaaa........ 03-15-2011, 02:02 AM
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      Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

      Hi Everyone.

      I just wanted to put a warning out there for newbie lucid dreamers, and those of you who have perhaps come across the work of Nicholas Newport aka Lucidology.com or luciddreamtricks (on youtube).

      It would seem that what we have here is an individual who is looking to promote themselves as an "expert" in the field of lucid dreaming to earn a quick buck
      .
      However, it's important to note that Mr Newport, has no qualifications, history or any clear experience to justify his choosing to call himself an expert.
      It does get worse though, having watched all his videos, I would warn any newbie lucid dreamer, to IGNORE his suggestions. You will be wasting your time.

      Most if not all the information is incorrect at best. At worst it is completely misleading.

      Also bear in mind that his ultimate goal is to convince you of his expertise so that you will then part with your cash for stage 2 of the course.

      He uses an array of marketing and advertising tricks to try to fool you.
      He firstly, has created his own language for lucid dreaming.
      Including methods, terminology and buzz words.
      He's basically trying to reinvent the wheel, so he can then claim he invented the wheel and sell it to you.
      What right has he to invade the subject of lucid dreaming, call himself an expert, and then confuse and mislead people by creating new terminology for methods and terms that are embeded in the culture of lucid dreaming?

      Secondly, he trys to blind you with "science". I put science in quotation marks, because it is far from science. It reminds me of infomercials, and shampoo adverts where they say "here comes the science bit", then show you a load of meaningless graphs and numbers, all that make no sense, just to confuse you into thinking they know what they are talking about.
      He DOSN'T know what he is talking about.

      Let me take an example:

      In his STOP DROP AND ROLL video
      A ten minute long video, that can basically be summed up in one sentence: "if you're trying to have a wild, don't move too much"

      But here are the huge flaws in his theory:

      He claims something called Mind Body Independence
      saying: mind body independence. The mind never knows precisely what the body is doing and vice versa.

      He then trys to prove this by stating that hair grows on your body, and your mind dosn't know about it, or that digestive systems work without the mind being aware of it.

      Kind of vaguely true on the surface, but he takes these and other similar points, then draws the conclusion that: The body will test to see if the mind is asleep by sending (here comes his own terminology) roll over signals.

      A roll over signal apparently is any urge to move, or any pain in the body, when trying to go to sleep. These are "test signals" being sent by the body, to test if the brain is asleep (rather than just maybe, being uncomfortable.)

      What he fails to address is: WHERE IS THIS DECISION BEING MADE?
      Which part of the body, independent from the brain chooses to send a signal to test the brain? The spleen? the testicles? the heart?

      Also he fails to recognise that the mind and body are NOT INDEPENDENT
      there are a complete system in constant communication via the NERVOUS SYSTEM.

      He also fails to recognise that Sleep Paralysis (which he claims is a choice made by the body when it thinks the mind is asleep) is actually as far as science knows, controlled from within the brain pons region of the brain.


      There are endless contradictions to science, the science of lucidity, basic biology etc. etc. etc. throughout his videos.

      If i had the time, I would like to break down each of his videos and point out the flaws and misinformation in them. Unfortunatly I do not have the time.
      May I suggest it possibly a DreamViews project, that intelligent memebers of the forum, help educate the new members to the misinformation in these videos?

      Anyhow, just a warning.
      Don't believe everything you seen on YouTube.
      Be extra wary when someone is trying to sell you something, and trying to blind you with made up science and lots of graphs, that if you take the time to look at, actually MAKE NO SENSE.

      Lucidolgy.com may not be exactly a scam in the classic sense of the word.
      But it is certainly hugely misleading, misinformation and bad for the subject of lucid dreaming. Its close enough to a scam for my tastes.

      Be warned.
      Last edited by spaceexplorer; 07-28-2009 at 08:59 PM.

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