Thread: Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

Originally Posted by LucidSleeperCel

Nobody here cares about the money (at least I don't)
it's about the accurate portrayal of information... THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEAN!!!
and we want accurate information to be spread about LDing because we care about LDing, it's drastically changed my life for the better... in order to LD successfully I had to quit drugs, meditate regularly which caused an ease in my teenage temperament, and enjoy the act of reading which helped me get my GPA to 3.86 ... I care very deeply about LDing, because it changed my life... it saved my life.
You talk like somebody who has little respect for the opinions of others, I believe you may have completely missed the point of LDing; it might not hurt to start from the beginning (aka writing up a new DJ) and try the process again so you might see why you're attempting to LD in the first place. But before saying comments like that, please think of why you're typing the comment in the first place... to help? or to hinder?

The ENDS do justify the means if there's no harm done to the individual.
You pretty much just did what you claimed he did.
The way in which lucid dreaming is done is still not a completely conclusive concept wherein one technique works for everyone.
We all have our little added ways of meeting our goal, so to imply that he's wrong because there's supposedly a "Right way" of doing it is completely rude. Not to mention using your story as a crutch. You have your right to think a certain way of doing something is right. He has his.

I can't believe people are being snobby about this. First it's taking supplements, then listening beats/tones, and now this. Unbelievable.

I think you guys will appreciate this.

I will do it in 3 posts and I’ll make the font blue so you can find all three easily in between other folks posts. And if you think it’s “crap” say so. (!!!)

101 part 7 Lucid Dream Timer Method

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If you have ever tried to do OBE’s or Lucid Dreams in the past and you were left wondering if maybe there was some missing piece or there was some secret missing key and if only you had that missing key then things would be a lot easier. Well here it is. Here is that missing key that I wish that I had, had when I first started doing OBE’s.

Here in Lucidology part 7 we’ll cover the “Timer Method”. This is a very powerful trick that allows you to “cheat” and easily trigger as many OBE’s as you want. I’ve read dozens of books on OBE’s and I’ve tested every single method I could find. There really is no method that gives faster results than this.

In fact it’s possible that you’ll have your very first OBE the very first time you use this.

That doesn’t always happen but quite a few people have written in to tell me that this is the secret that got them over-the-edge to start having frequent OBE’s in just one night. So far we’ve learned how to put the body to sleep as fast as we can and enter a subconscious focus. You start out awake and alert and end up asleep and in a subconscious focus on the lower left (video diagram).

But, what we really want looks more like this. What you want is to “hover” on the awake-asleep threshold so you slip into a subconscious focus without losing too much awareness by slipping in to a deep sleep. This way you retain full awareness in your subconscious.

You may be thinking, “Easier said than done”, because what usually happens when people try to do this is they just fall asleep and that’s the end of it. The solution most books give is to hope that you magically become aware within the dream spontaneously. The idea is by telling yourself over and over while you are awake, to become lucid, that eventually you’ll have lucid dreams just from force of habit alone.

This is possible but it’s very unreliable.

It takes months of practice to get this to work and even when you can do it, it’s always a matter of luck, you never know for sure if you’re going to have an OBE on any given night.

Here’s the secret. What if you could cheat and manufacture your own lucidity trigger so that even if you fell completely asleep you’d still end up having an OBE. It turns out such a secret weapon does exist.

It is called a digital cooking timer.

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Hi folks

I will post this and have a break.

I am back,

What do you want me to google, Ethereal?

To continue:

Here’s the secret. What if you could cheat and manufacture your own lucidity trigger so that even if you fell completely asleep you’d still end up having an OBE. It turns out such a secret weapon does exist.

It is called a digital cooking timer.

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The idea is to fall asleep as normal and don’t even try to stay aware. You set the timer to beep so it wakes you up a few minutes later. By falling asleep and waking up every few minutes, without moving, you formed a safety-net so you don’t fall too deeply asleep but instead enter a subconscious focus. This uses a principle from hypnosis called “fractionation”. Hypnotic fractionation means that when you’re put into a trance then are taken from that trance the next time you enter a trance you’ll enter it more deeply than before. That means that if you can enter even the slightest trance then you can enter a very deep trance just by going in and out of that trance over and over.

This is how you can, “hover” on the awake-asleep threshold and ease you way into an OBE without having to use any kind of practice or skill. Remember that everything we covered earlier about the, “Roll” signal still applies. This only works when you use the “timer” and do not move at any point.

If you wake up and fall asleep 4 or 5 times in an hour without moving you’ll start to have spontaneous paralysis, OBE vibrations and OBE’s.

However if you wake-up and then fall asleep twice, shift position, then wake up and fall asleep 3 more times, then that won’t work nearly as well.

So here’s the big picture in a nutshell.

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First, you wake-up and fall asleep 4 or 5 times, without moving, using a timer.
{and you should use the sleep commands from Lucidology 101 parts 3 and 4}
This will put you in sleep paralysis.

Then you use movement-free reality checks {which we will cover in part 8} to check that you’ve shifted into a non-physical focus.

Then you use an “exit” method to convert paralysis into an OBE or lucid dream.
{we’ll cover basic “exit” methods in Lucidology 101 part 12} and then {advanced “exit” methods in Lucidology 102}

To do this you have a couple of options for timers, including:

Cooking timers
Timer MP3’s and
The Lucidology Flash timer.

I started out using a $10 cooking timer and it works just fine. To use one of these memorise the buttons so you can re-set it using your thumb without looking at it. Sleep with it in one hand then use only your thumb when re-setting it and the rest of your body will stay in paralysis.

Alternately, in your Lucidology’s Explorers kit you get timer MP3’s that contain pre-defined timer set-ups. To get these visit Lucidology .com. Finally, you can use the Lucidology Flash timer which also comes in your FREE Lucidology dream kit. The flash timer allows you to customise your timer set-up and change your intervals between the beeps however you want.

You timer’s set-up has a giant impact on how many OBEs you have. I have spent countless hours testing various timer set-ups and here is the most reliable workhorse set-up.

It’s called “Ramp” and the intervals are:

8 minutes
4 minutes
8 minutes
12 minutes
16 minutes
20 minutes
20 minutes
6 minutes
6 minutes
6 minutes
(Repeating)

Here is what you can expect when you use the “Ramp” set-up.

During the middle of the 20 minute intervals you’re likely to have lucid dreams and possibly spontaneous OBE’s. During the tail-end 6 minute intervals you’re likely to have OBE’s.

Here’s why.

If you have ever used an alarm clock to wake-up at the same time each morning you may have found that you started waking-up 5 minutes before the alarm actually started beeping. You had conditioned the subconscious to expect the beep but “it” does not like to be shocked awake. So, “it’s” response is to wake you up before the beep.

You can use this effect to your advantage by faking the subconscious out.

(6:10)I’m going to take another break (BFN Deb)

I’m back

This is the last 4 minutes:

If you have ever used an alarm clock to wake-up at the same time each morning you may have found that you started waking-up 5 minutes before the alarm actually started beeping. You had conditioned the subconscious to expect the beep but “it” does not like to be shocked awake. So, “it’s” response is to wake you up before the beep.

You can use this effect to your advantage by faking the subconscious out.

to continue:
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The initial 8 minute interval is used for relaxation.

After that the intervals start out short and then increase in length going from 4 up to 20 minutes, by the time you get to the 20 minute interval your subconscious is starting to expect another beep in the next 4 to 16 minutes. To avoid the “SHOCK” the subconscious goes on alert at around 4, 8 or 12 minutes.

However, during the 20 minute intervals those beeps never come. This is enough to make you become spontaneously lucid in the middle of a dream in expectation of the phantom timer beep that never happens.

The phantom beep can also give you waking sleep paralysis, because the body continues to sleep and doesn’t care about the phantom beep. Whether you get an OBE or lucid dream from this depend on where you’re focussing at the moment of the phantom beep, either in the dream or on your physical body.

If you get a lucid dream your clarity level will likely be less than most OBE’s. However, lucid dreams are often a lot more fun because they often start out in some kind of strange other-worldly area which is usually more fun to explore than the non-physical version of your bedroom.

OBE’s often have more clarity than lucid dreams.

When you use the timer method you’ll end up with plenty of each so you can decide which you prefer.

The shorter tail-end intervals usually result in OBE’s rather than lucid dreams. This is because of the hypnotic “fractionation” effect that we mentioned earlier. During the short intervals you don’t have time to slip very deeply into sleep like you do with the long intervals. This causes you to hover much more closely on the awake-asleep threshold so that when a beep comes your more likely to have a physical focus that you can use for an OBE. This is the simplest way to trick your body into falling asleep and feel the paralysis wave. When the timer beeps your body may wake up for a moment but as long as you stay perfectly still your body will create the paralysis wave and put itself to sleep after 5 or 10 seconds.

This is also an excellent time to use the sleep triggers form Lucidology 101 part 4 to command the body into paralysis.

So here is the actual method to use to have conscious sleep paralysis for the first time or even an OBE.

First, go to bed at 9 pm.

Second, get up at 4:30 am.

Third, stay up for 45 minutes till 5:15 am and avoid lights.

Fourth, go back to bed and do “Stop, Drop and Roll” to start to fall asleep.

At the end of “Stop, Drop and Roll” set your timer to use a “Ramp” timer session

Fall asleep and let the timer wake you up and put you in an OBE.

As good as this method is it does have two draw backs, first in your sleep cycle, the second is “false awakenings”. Getting up early in the morning to do OBE’s is effective but it can leave you tired the rest of the day. The solution is inductionless OBE’s.

Inductionless OBE’s are my favourite style of accessing the subconscious because they allow you to have OBE’s without messing up your sleep cycle. This is an advanced method that we’ll cover in Lucidology 102 part 8.

The second disadvantage the timer method has is actually so powerful. This side effect is called “A False Awakening Loop” in which you think you wake-up physically but actually wake-up into another OBE. You may have to wake up several times before you really do wake up again in your physical bedroom.

To solve this you basically need away to take the red pill (do a reality check) and figure out where you are and what’s going on. This is called a Reality Check. And not just any reality check will do. You need to do a movement free reality check so you can do it without disturbing your trance. I have tested dozens of types of movement-free reality checks and boiled them down to the 4 most reliable ones. Be sure to watch part 8 to find out what they are.
(10:15) end of part 7.