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I made a very excellent point and your come back was childish and senseless.
Yes you did make a very excellent point below. As a child I wanted to be a cosmologist. I was studying Einstein's general and special theory of relativity in the school library during lunch break when I was fourteen. Today I research any method to see if it has any validity in practical application. If I was a newcomer and not heard of L101 and saw this thread I would have researched his videos and experimented with his methods regardless of the general theme of the thread and come to my own conclusions by attempting to replicate Nick's results. I did replicate results as there was clearly valid information in his videos. And the course is jam packed with a lot of very useful practical information that has little discussion here so it was a great idea to have a new thread devoted to discussing these practical applications.

Quote Originally Posted by atkins513 View Post
I've been staying away from this thread the best I can, but it isn't the discussion I have a problem with, its how the very first post started off the discussion. The guy who started it, now absent, was a nuisance to DV. He ran from thread to thread attacking them and started threads attacking good methods, not just lucidology. This thread started off pushing newbies away from very good methods that work very well for many people, Hence, knocking newbies out of many opportunities for lucidity, thus slowing their progress. Had I listened to the things I found here about lucidology when I first found it, as a newbie, I would be far behind from where I am now. I found this thread when I first joined DV and went against its advice eventually finding that it was misinformation. THAT is why I am here. I want to help as many people as I can to learn lucid dreaming, not set them back as this thread would have me had I paid it any attention. Also, lucidology 101 is free and has lots of good information for New lucid dreamers. I'm not trying to sell L102, because it's also easily found for free.

Guys, I was a newbie. Regardless of whether these methods work for everyone, They work very very well for some newbies and should be discussed in a fair light as well.

We aren't enemies as I would assume we all have the same goals for the DV community.